New Landlord Association seeking pledges

New Landlord Association seeking pledges

8:30 AM, 3rd October 2018, About 4 years ago 386

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Update: Please now email your pledges to

For the past 18 months, I have mulled over the idea of setting up a new National Landlords association. I won’t bore readers to death explaining why. We all know how frustrated and sickened the community is with the other main associations failing to aggressively fight our corner and instead assist the councils implementing their rotten Selective licensing schemes. Enough is enough.

We could talk forever, but it is now time for action. I have held off taking this leap in the hope that somebody else would take up the baton. I completely understand the reluctance of anybody to get involved. Mark summed it up. A most time consuming venture.

As things stand now, the show is almost ready for the road.

I have set up the National Landlords Alliance. Before I go any further if the National Landlords Association wish to take issue with the National Landlords alliance, I say bring it on. Do it now.

Moving on Banking facilities are in place. I am prepared to act as CEO without salary initially to get the organisation up and running. The organisation will operate out of offices supplied by me on a rent free basis, until profitability can be achieved.

I have a PR/Secretary lined up who will join us subject to salary discussions. She has experience in the industry as well as a journalism degree and lobbying experience.

Following extensive negotiations over several weeks I have got agreement from the former National Chair of the FSB to also join us. Mr Allan has extensive lobbying experience including vast experience gained from negotiating with the former PM Cameron and Osborne, as well as dealing with the devolved Governments of Scotland ,Wales and NI. This would complete the team initially.

I also have organised a preferred solicitor to assist members. The individual I have in mind is a former local authority prosecutor.

We will not be selling courses or cheap smoke detectors. We will absolutely never assist councils implementing any scheme to the detriment of landlords. As regards document downloads, they are available from other sources.

We will be 100% focused on aggressively fighting the Landlords corner.

The fee to join would be £100 pa.

At this stage all I seek is pledges.

If the figures are right we are good to go. A word of caution however,and I don’t mean to insult regular contributors, but at this stage our biggest enemy is Apathy.

If we can get the pledges ie a min of 1000 members we have a new organisation.


Larry Sweeney

Update: Please now email your pledges to

With everyone on board we will hopefully move rapidly to collating the membership required with everyone’s help


Rob Crawford

10:44 AM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

I'm all for an organization that is a stronger representative of landlords at national level. However, you need a significant number of members 1000 is no where near enough. Try 20000! To get this number you will need to offer similar services as NLA / RLA such as advice hot line, forms, knowledge base etc. Things that landlords need on a day to day basis. If you don't offer theses, I can't see landlords switching from NLA/RLA or landlords paying membership of these organizations plus an additional £100 for what is being proposed. To be effective, youll also need an experienced rep who works for who walks the walk and talks the talk in houses of parliment and associated government departments. More thinking is required on this!

Appalled Landlord

11:23 AM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

John walker

11:36 AM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by JB at 26/09/2018 - 19:46
Hi JB,
A great suggestion, but may I recommend 'Homes' instead, as something to which Shelter could not possibly find exception. If there are an estimated 1.5 million landlords, how many homes do we collectively provide? Probably more than all LAs combined, now that so much of their stock has been sold.


12:36 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Rob Crawford at 27/09/2018 - 10:44
Surely P118 can link up and provide a lot of these services?

TheMaluka View Profile

13:25 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Appalled Landlord at 27/09/2018 - 11:23
A good reason not to join the NLA.

Susan Alexander

14:00 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

I'm in. Definitely happy to support a more aggressive approach to fighting the landlords corner.

Appalled Landlord

14:00 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by John Walker at 27/09/2018 - 11:36
The analysis of dwellings by tenure for Great Britain is Table 102, which can be downloaded here:

The latest figures it shows are for 2016: Housing Associations 2.9m, Local Authorities 2.0m, (making a Social total of 4.9m), PRS 5.5m (making a total of 10.4m rented). Owner occupied was 17.3m, making a grand total of 27.7m dwellings.

The Northern Ireland (and hence United Kingdom) tables have not been updated since 31 March 2014 as the source table has been discontinued by the Department for Social Development (Northern Ireland).

Note that there can be more than one household (and therefore tenancy) in a dwelling, according to the "Dwelling stock estimates in England: 2017" which can be downloaded here:

A dwelling is defined (in accordance with the Census definition) as a self-contained unit of accommodation. Self-containment is where all the rooms (including kitchen, bathroom and toilet)
in a household's accommodation are behind a single door which only that household can use.
Non-self-contained household spaces at the same address should be included together as a single dwelling. Therefore a dwelling can consist of one self-contained household space or two or more non-self-contained household spaces at the same address.
Ancillary dwellings (e.g. 'granny annexes') are included provided they are self-contained, pay separate council tax from the main residence, do not share access with the main residence (e.g. a shared hallway) and there are no conditional restrictions on occupancy.”.

In reply to an FOI request, HMRC wrote that in the tax year 2012/13 2.1m landlords owning 3.7m properties completed the property income pages of the main self-assessment form (as opposed to the short form). These figures included Northern Ireland.

I think it’s safe to assume that there are still over 2 million private landlords owning UK property in 2018.

Larry Sweeney

14:08 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to Rob. 1000 is the magic figure to get us started. As regards a rep, Rob please read my post, we have managed to secure the Services of John Allan former chair of tbe FSB. John is a highly experienced lobbyist . With respect to downloading forms ,all are available from legal stationers. We most definately will not be offering forms or courses. Read between the lines, advise will be on offer . We will be extremely vocal and take the fight to Shelter etc. I cannot cross every T and dot every I, as regards peoples percieved needs. If we get the magic figure which as you correctly point out is a modest figure, that is sufficient to get us started. We will work hard to build on this. There is no point comparing us to the NLA/RLA. They derive income from selling courses advertising carpet suppliers and assisting councils implement deeply unpopular expensive cumbersome licensing schemes. We aim to be completely different and I state from the outset we will be shouting loudly. No holds barred. That is a flavour of the organisation I am inviting you to join. If we get the required numbers, i make a pledge here now and it is this. I will put Shelter under the spotlight in a way they could never imagine, suffice to say I cannot expand on that on a publuc forum , but their days of attacking Landlords and branding us as criminals are over, once we get going.


14:09 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by John Walker at 27/09/2018 - 11:36
'Homes' sounds good to me.

NW Landlord

14:23 PM, 27th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Bring it on Larry mate I’m here to help in anyway

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