My tenants have flooded my property but who’s problem is it?

My tenants have flooded my property but who’s problem is it?

9:30 AM, 24th July 2012, About 12 years ago 57

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I received a phone call a month or so ago to saying that my tenants have flooded my property and wanted me to pay to get the damage fixed. I suspect your response would have been the same as mine. Obviously I asked what had happened and they said they didn’t know. Apparently my tenants had been away and left relatives in the property when the problem occurred. I asked if anything was leaking and it wasn’t, nothing was blocked either. The scale of the damage was quite bad, the problem was a flood in the bathroom which had effected downstairs walls and ceilings. I didn’t need Sherlock Holmes or Miss Marple to solve this mystery, their guests had obviously let the bath overflow.

Obviously I refused to pay for the damage and I told the tenants to claim on their insurance. They don’t have any. Not my problem I say, you’d better work out what you are going to do about it. I heard nothing more so I left it. Life is never that simple though is it! This morning I received a phone call from my tenants sister …………

Hi, I’m Cherry’s sister she says, I’m just calling to let you know that Cherry will not be paying the rent this month because she’s spent up this month because of the work she’s had to get done to put your house right.

Now if you are deciding what you would do at this point, STOP, there’s a lot more to this.

tenants have flooded my propertyHave you ever purchased a property and regretted it?

About seven years ago I had this idea that every property, no matter how bad, has a value and that all properties will increase in value over the long term. I still think there’s some truth in that argument but I still wish I’d never purchased this property. It’s the roughest house in the roughest street in the roughest area. It’s a rural council estate dominated by one very large, very rough family. If you ever come to mid Norfolk and want to find this place just follow the first set of blue flashing lights you see and there’s more than a 50/50 chance you will be lead right to it. I was warned never to buy in this particular location by my brother, who has a lot of friends in the Police force, but I just couldn’t turn down what looked at the time to be the bargain of the century.

Anyhow, to cut a long story short, I got lucky and managed to let the property to a member of “the family” and this one seems to be the most decent of the lot, i.e. no criminal record and to date she’s been a good payer too.

If I kick her out there is a very good chance the property will be vandalised as soon as it’s vacant and I will never know who did it. The chances of re-letting the property to a better tenant are zero. To make things worse, this property has plummeted even further in value. The only way I might sell this property is in this market is in an auction with no reserve. I could lose a fortune! To make matters worse, I mortgaged it to 85% LTV when I purchased it as the cashflow is awesome (15% yield on what I paid for it) so I didn’t see that as an issue at the time. Cashflow now is even better than is was as it’s on a bank base rate tracker at 1.75% over base.

So, do I bite the bullett, keep the tenant and let her off the rent this month? Do I take the cost of the damage out of her rent deposit and accept that she now has no deposit? Or do I kick her out and risk losing a small fortune on lost rent, a “short sale” and potentially a load of extra issues to deal with as soon as the property is vacant? If she gets away with not paying rent this time though, the chances of there being a next time increase – experience has taught me that one.

It’s quite a dilemma I have isn’t it?

What would you do if you were me and why? Please add comments below.


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8:40 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

If you did it through insurance the rent may have been paid and no stress to the actual tenant who herself didn't leave the taps running.
As a landlord of 20 yrs in Wolverhampton, I would have just sorted it out through insurance and put it down to experience. Also, if you check out a product on-line called NovaFlow this 100% guarantees zero flooding from the bath. http://www.nova-flo.com/

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

8:55 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Hi Byreman, I'm also from Wolverhampton (born in New Cross) and I've been a landlord for over 20 years too. I've never come across that little device, very clever and I can certainly see why hotels and holiday parks would install them. Is Novo-Flow your business?

9:00 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Mark,
The way I see it - the tenant has used this month's rent to repair the leak damage which, whatever happened, would have needed to have been paid for / repaired anyway.

I would accept the loss of rent this month and not do anything else about the leak until she leaves the property. There is every hope / chance that she will remain in the property for a considerable time to come and a loss of 1 months rent is insignificant in the "great scheme of things".

At the end of the tenancy - when the tenant vacates - you will need to make a judgement on how much more money is going to be needed to be spent to fix the leak damage to a "landlords standard". Then I would suggest a negotiation / compromise with the tenant - especially as she is related to "The Family" LOL .....

In summary - grin, grimace and keeping taking the rent / yield.

Mark

8:16 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

No its not mine, but my company used to sell them. They are great, but the company whose RRP was £160 put the price up and as we used to sell them for £99 and making hardly anything on them we stopped selling them. But they are very good and do work a treat. They are made in the UK which is why they are so expensive.
Mostly its a little bit like house alarms, people only fit one when they have a flood. Floods cost a packet to fix hence my insurance comment earlier. If you can fix a flood for £500 thats very good indeed.
My business eminated out of renovating old properties and I designed some bathroom products that we eventually put into production and started selling some 10 years ago. Our ethos is to prevent water damage in bathrooms hence my interest in this post above.
Maybe I should write a post about ho to prevent water damage in bathrooms......
http://www.byretech.com is my company - we are small but like it that way and mainly sell online. Some of our products can be found in screwfix and some of the sheds too.... Cheers.....

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

9:42 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Hi Mark, some good points here. Chances are this tenant will stay in this property until she dies. If not, the only way I'm likely to be able to re-let it is to another member of "the family". Is it any wonder I don't watch soap operas? I don't need to with these tenants LOL

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

9:48 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Regarding the flood prevention article for landlords - yes please - go for it. I suspect this will be of more interest to people with holiday lets but that has a massive following on Property118 too. I don't suppose you know David Alexander of Alexander Plumbing and Heating do you? Most of my family are from Wednesfield, Dave has been in the plumbing business for over 20 years. He moved to the Wirrall a few years ago. Very much into the Speedway at Monmore Green.

10:03 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Sorry I don't know the fella. When I get a moment I will put something together for you. I'm Steve Dalloway by the way......

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

10:10 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Cheers Steve

Puzzler

9:10 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Where is my comment that water damage is covered by buildings insurance? And it's whose not who's....

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

10:23 AM, 25th July 2012, About 12 years ago

Thanks for correcting my poor grammar, your comment is here >>> http://www.property118.com/index.php/tenants-flooded-property-problem/30450/#comment-597172395

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