Section 21 – Emergency meeting and joint delegation

Section 21 – Emergency meeting and joint delegation

9:47 AM, 17th April 2019, About 3 years ago 28

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The National landlords Alliance, while profoundly disagreeing with the approach of the NLA and RLA, believe that we should all put our differences aside and hold an emergency summit without delay to discuss and agree a common approach to the proposed abolition of section 21. Also to rethink our position on section 24, a fight which many appear to have given up on.

We propose a joint delegation to government and we also want other organisations such as Ihowitz and the Humber Landlords association to join us.

The Alliance is asking these organisations to contact us without delay and the Alliance will supply and fund the costs of a venue in Manchester to host this meeting.

We urge everybody in the NLA and RLA to put all differences aside and join us now in the interests of all the members who deserve our unqualified support.

NLA/RLA, please email us urgently and confirm your agreement to meet without any preconditions.

This would be the first time all landlord organisations came together as one to protect our vital interests. It is the very least we can do for our members.


Neil Patterson View Profile

10:21 AM, 17th April 2019, About 3 years ago

I have always said we all need to come together and continue to support Larry with the Alliance, but have always supported the NLA and RLA even without reciprocation.

Annie Landlord

17:01 PM, 17th April 2019, About 3 years ago

The NLA and RLA would have to be mad to align themselves with the Alliance. Not going to happen


17:12 PM, 17th April 2019, About 3 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 17/04/2019 - 17:01Sorry but you cant just make a sweeping statement such as yours without clarification.
Why should they not put up a united front and challenge the government on behalf of the PRS. I would go as far as to include ARLA in the get together as this change would also have a huge impact on agencies as well.

Larry Sweeney

17:44 PM, 17th April 2019, About 3 years ago

Thanks to Simon R. I wont dignify the negativity of this Annie. Your suggestion re Arla is excellent. Thank you.
We will email Arla directly tomorrow and offer them an invitation.
This is not about one upmanship or getting anybody to align with us. This is about doing the very best we can collectively for all our members. Any organisation that puts vested interests or politics above its members interests does not deserve the loyalty of those members.
Our invitation to the NLA/RLA is without pre conditions. We are happy to fund the venue costs
Lets all sit down together, put differences aside for now and together lets work hard in the interests of all landlords. Section 24 and the abolition of section 21 is our common enemy. Surely there can be no reason, no excuse for not attending our summit.

TheMaluka View Profile

11:02 AM, 18th April 2019, About 3 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 17/04/2019 - 17:01
Annie why are you constantly negative about anybody who is trying to resolve a very challenging problem? Please explain and perhaps we will all understand your stance.

NW Landlord

11:05 AM, 18th April 2019, About 3 years ago

I’m in gettin so fed up with this outright destruction of our industry

Annie Landlord

11:19 AM, 18th April 2019, About 3 years ago

David, I am actively supporting those individuals and organisations who are working on behalf of landlords. The Alliance isn't one of them. I cannot see how the obsession with Shelter, B&Q, then with the ICO has done landlords any favours at all. Nor how attacking, vilifying and publicly insulting the NLA and RLA has gained the Alliance any credibility. I find it difficult to envisage a meeting with government ministers, where the NLA and RLA introduce themselves and explain their stance and then the Alliance explains that its prime focus has been to tweet daily insults about the biggest homeless charity in the country, call for its 'overpaid' CEO who has 'trousered' a big salary to be sacked and accused the charity of failing the victims of Grenfell by not providing sausage rolls. The NLA and RLA are also happy to publicise how many members they have.
I hope that explains my feelings.

The Property Man

12:16 PM, 18th April 2019, About 3 years ago

Annie Landlord - Don’t you think we have enough people against us ? Let’s not turn on each other !

TheMaluka View Profile

12:26 PM, 18th April 2019, About 3 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 18/04/2019 - 11:19
Indeed it does explain your feelings, but please tell me how effective have the NLA and RLA been in fighting the government zeal? Almost daily there is some new restriction on landlords which the NLA and RLA seem to accept almost without question.
I agree with you about Shelter being the biggest homelessness charity, the charity which by its actions is causing more homelessness than any other. The charity which houses no one but tries to screw up landlords who do, I know I have been in court opposite one of their lawyers when trying to evict a drug dealer.
I have seen the devastating effect of deposit legislation, as a McKenzie friend, when a landlord is attacked by a no win no fee solicitor. I was part of a 118 team which took the government to court over section 24. I am doing something - perhaps you may not approve of my actions but I do not just sit back and let the government walk all over us.
Now what would you do to counter the constant attacks on landlords? What would you do to give a landlord some effective means of collecting rent?

Steve Masters View Profile

13:00 PM, 18th April 2019, About 3 years ago

I somehow doubt we will stop the abolition of Section 21 but this is a golden opportunity to all pull together and get Section 8 working properly for everyone.

We should get Paul Shamplina of Landlord Action onboard and any other eviction specialists, bailiffs and legal experts too, Tessa Shepperson comes to mind.

We have all seen the loopholes and pitfalls in the way past Bills have been implemented, lets not let that happen this time. I suggest we don't alienate ourselves from anyone, not from NLA, not from RLA and not even Shelter and certainly not from the government.

We need to cover every single angle of how Section 8 needs to be improved and which aspects/scenarios from Section 21 that need to be incorporated.

We all know Section 8 is broken, that's why we relied on Section 21.

Let's fix Section 8.

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