CP12 gas safety certificate
7:58 AM, 7th May 2014, 12 years ago
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Should I report another landlord who refuses to get a CP12 certificate and if so, to whom?
Many thanks
George
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9:52 AM, 10th May 2014, About 12 years ago
I think your all assuming that a fully trained, qualified, experienced, and legally licenced person is at least remotely competent. My extensive experience has been that this is simply not true in any walk of life.
By complying with ever more regulation in this grossly over populated island, (I’ve just seen a 5mph speed limit imposed on an industrial estate! No that is not a typo!) we simply get someone else to blame.
By all means cover your back but then take responsibility, educate yourself, and then make sure the think is done correctly. This is obviously impossible for those of you with large portfolios but I have no solution to that.
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10:07 AM, 10th May 2014, About 12 years ago
Reply to the comment left by “Paul Shears” at “10/05/2014 – 09:52“:
I agree, look at how highly regulated bankers are – it’s a joke!
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Member Since November 2013 - Comments: 342 - Articles: 1
11:50 AM, 10th May 2014, About 12 years ago
I recently changed Gassafe engineer…. and something about his current report on a property rang alarm bells… so I checked back through earlier Certificates for the past few years. To my horror the ex engineer had adopted a gung ho approach to his inspections – some years he would check the gas fire, some years he didn’t, some years he would check the gas hob, some years he didn’t. I did not pick this up at the time, shame on me…… I have checked back through all the properties the ex engineer did, and find the same degree of laxity in several properties ….. As absent landlords, we have to be so careful. What position would I have been in, had there been an “issue” and it was realised by H&S that the LGSC was only partially complete…….. interesting question……
Member Since June 2013 - Comments: 646 - Articles: 1
11:58 AM, 10th May 2014, About 12 years ago
you would be culpable. i always attend with the gas safe engineer and do a periodic inspection the same time.
Member Since November 2013 - Comments: 342 - Articles: 1
12:06 PM, 10th May 2014, About 12 years ago
Reply to the comment left by “Joe Bloggs” at “10/05/2014 – 11:58“:
on what basis do you claim the landlord has responsibility ? A landlord is not legally qualified to assess/inspect gas appliances… that is why GASSAFE exists……. If a property is in the hands of a managing agent they wont attend at the same time as the gas inspection……..
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12:30 PM, 10th May 2014, About 12 years ago
Reply to the comment left by “All BankersAreBarstewards Smith” at “10/05/2014 – 12:06“:
a landlord doesnt need to be a gas engineer to see a discrepancy between the gas appliances listed on the CP12 and those present in the demise.
obviously there is no compulsion to attend with the engineer, but i find it beneficial and what letting agents do is hardly the gold standard.
Member Since July 2013 - Comments: 197
3:08 PM, 12th May 2014, About 12 years ago
As Joe says the landlord is responsible. The heating engineer is suppose to check all the appliances in the property even if they do not belong to the landlord. I do not see the point of the certificate if this doesnt take place. As with any trade you have a lazy engineer but the certificate should be checked in order to make sure all items have been checked. If you use a letting agent then they would have their copy to check on your behalf and this should be part of what you pay them for .
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3:15 PM, 12th May 2014, About 12 years ago
good job I dumped the engineer a while back then……
Member Since August 2013 - Comments: 883
3:24 PM, 12th May 2014, About 12 years ago
As far as I understand the landlord has no responsibility to maintain or check gas appliances that belong to the tenant, and the annual gas safety check does not need to cover these appliances.
That said, obviously a professional gas engineer should ensure that all appliances are checked by default.
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3:54 PM, 12th May 2014, About 12 years ago
Reply to the comment left by “Romain ” at “12/05/2014 – 15:24“:
That’s my understanding as well Romain. I’d be interested to know if I’m wrong as some tenants in my properties have their own appliances.