CP12 gas safety certificate

CP12 gas safety certificate

7:58 AM, 7th May 2014, About 8 years ago 82

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Should I report another landlord who refuses to get a CP12 certificate and if so, to whom? CP12 gas safety certificate

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by Jan Martin

22:20 PM, 20th May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Adrian Jones" at "12/05/2014 - 15:54":

When the engineer carries out a gas safety inspection all gas appliances should be checked . All the applicances should be written on your certificate. If an appliance which belongs to the tenant requires a service then thats for your tenant to pay . Any repair on an appliance which is the tenants is also for them to pay.
Therefore if your heating engineer doesnt check all the appliances for safety then they are not doing there job . Hope this helps .

by Adrian Jones

12:38 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Jan Martin" at "20/05/2014 - 22:20":

Thanks Jan. What if the tenant says he doesn't want his appliances checked.

by All BankersAreBarstewards Smith

13:00 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Adrian Jones" at "23/05/2014 - 12:38":

I would insist and get it done anyways.... I would pay and then get them to sign a statement saying they refused it, and then later on I would claim it off their deposit.... and then I would r give them notice.... a gas explosion would affect neighbouring properties and there could be injuries.... and the ensuing insurance claims with only a partly checked set of gas appliances would be a nightmare.

by Adrian Jones

13:14 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "All BankersAreBarstewards Smith" at "23/05/2014 - 13:00":

If the tenant refused to pay I find it hard to imagine he is going to give me a signed statement to that effect.

What legal right do I have to deduct the cost of testing his appliances (against his will) from his deposit.

Perhaps in future agreements I should have a clause saying any appliances owned by the tenant must be inspected and certified annually at the tenants expense.

by Romain Garcin

15:13 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

The landlord has no obligation to check the tenant's appliances and any issue on them should not affect the landlord's gas safety certificate.

If the engineer does check these appliances and finds an issue, then the only thing that can be done (and should be done) is to notify the tenant but it is up to the tenant to decide whether to pay for repair or replacement and landlord cannot obviously do anything apart from evicting if he so wishes.
Clearly nothing could be claimed from the tenant's deposit (for what anyway?)

In fact I'm wondering if insisting on checking the tenant's appliances is not asking for trouble in case of an issue.

by All BankersAreBarstewards Smith

15:33 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Romain " at "23/05/2014 - 15:13":

surely any landlord would want to know that tenant's appliances were safe ? if they were not and there was an explosion... the landlords property would be damaged - and apart from that would you really sleep easy in your bed if others were injured ?

by Jan Martin

16:13 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Romain " at "23/05/2014 - 15:13":

Can I just say to Romain that the heating engineer is the one who should be telling the tenant there is a problem. The testing that a heating engineer carries out for tenants gas appliances is basic safety . If the tenant would like their own appliance serviced then its up to them to sort that out with the engineer and pay the cost .
If the gas engineer finds that an appliance belonging to the tenant is dangerous then they will put a sticker on that appliance and the tenant will not beable to use it . Its then up to the tenant to sort out / replace their own appliance. This will be written on the landlords gas safety certificate.
As already written by another member you need to know that all appliances are safe.
Tenants bring all sorts into the properties and you never know what condition they are in . Actually when you think about it its a nightmare trying to keep track . At least you have a good idea after a correctly carried out gas safety check.

by Adrian Jones

16:45 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Jan Martin" at "23/05/2014 - 16:13":

Thanks Jan. If the tenant tells the engineer he does not want his appliance checked presumably the engineer is not empowered to force the issue. At best he could make a comment on the Landlord's safety certificate.

A far as I'm concerned, I've decided in future I'll include a clause saying all tenant's appliances must be safety checked annually at their expense.

Serious subject as there are potentially massive consequences.

by Jan Martin

17:57 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Adrian Jones" at "23/05/2014 - 16:45":

Because gas engineers are only carrying out the basic check and your having boiler checked and service carried out then most engineers will only make a small additional charge of around £20 .00 per item . So really its just as easy to carry that cost yourself just to know that alls safe . As I wrote before if the tenant wants a service then thats for them to pay themselves on their own appliance. I have never had a safety check refused as yet but I have had a cooker condemed. Would you believe the tenant didnt like it and he has 3 children in the house . Didnt want to pay to get it sorted did he . Sticker went on cooker and after a sensible conversation he realized that the cooker needed attention .

by Romain Garcin

18:56 PM, 23rd May 2014, About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Jan Martin" at "23/05/2014 - 16:13":

It doesn't really matter who tells the tenant.

My point remains that the landlord does not have to check the tenant's appliances and that these appliances should not have a bearing on the landlord's gas safety certificate.

It is obviously a good thing to be concerned about safety but should should be aware of the limitations, and perhaps even of the extra liabilities one might unknowingly take on (perhaps I'm being paranoid here).

I'd not be happy to have negative comments on the certificate related to irrelevant problems, and certainly a sticker won't prevent the appliance from being used.
If anything were to happen I'm sure that someone would try to blame the landlord "who knew".

Having a clause that the tenant must have his own appliances checked is good and well but then what if the tenant does not comply? Nothing to be done, really. So this would just be good advice, which is indeed sensible to give.

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