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UPVC window in a Listed building/G2?
12:03 AM, 1st February 2023, 3 years ago
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Hello, Has anyone had any joy in getting an LA to give the thumbs up for permission to replace a wooden sash window with a UPVC (single or double glazed) window that replicates what the original looked like from the outside in a Grade II listed building?
I was going to go to town and focus on the enviro/cost saving benefits to the occupier (benefit tenant) plus a direct move to help towards the long term enviro gov goal which includes positive moves towards the EPC standard raising etc….
Has anyone got any other nuggets to throw in that might help swing it?
I am of the opinion the more I put in the application then if refused, the more reason they have to give if refused.
I’ve already approached them to ask if they have updated their CAA Conservation Area Plan since the last one in 2007 and they have said no, plus they have no Conservation Officer AND they can’t provide any further free advice unless I fill in and pay £100 for pre-application (and that’s BEFORE I fill in a free Listed Building Consent form!)
Jokers.
Thank you,
Reluctant Landlord
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9:41 PM, 1st February 2023, About 3 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Allan from Wales at 01/02/2023 – 10:28
doesnt get over the issue with external maintenance plus on listed buildings internal secondary still requires permission ….
Tenants don’t like opening windows let alone two in the same place. Issue also with damp between external window and internal secondary glazing casement
Member Since November 2022 - Comments: 73
9:47 PM, 1st February 2023, About 3 years ago
That depends on the windows. Our 100 year-old leaded windows will not be perfectly airtight, and the inner double-glazed units (again in wood) should be, so condensation between the windows will not be an issue. We are in a conservation area, but are not listed. It is important for the better ventilation to be to the cold side.
Maintenance is still an issue, but opening windows if hinged right can be maintained from the inside.
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9:51 PM, 1st February 2023, About 3 years ago
This is what you get with a listed building – it is listed for a reason – ‘when it is of special architectural or historic interest considered to be of national importance and therefore worth protecting.’ This will not include plastic windows.
You can make a case for replacing with timber bespoke but I wouldn’t pin your hopes on it.
As for tenants, we all know tenants do and don’t do things that usual people don’t do and do. A law unto themselves, mine in my listed building make a meal out of opening two layers of windows, why I’ve no idea but I’m certainly not going to think of taking them out and put in plastic. If you have secondary they should not get condensation between – maybe black dust as the original windows are unlikely to be in great airtight condition.
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9:32 AM, 2nd February 2023, About 3 years ago
Replaced timber in conservation area with uPVC. Pushback from council until we showed them the product – it is black wood grain effect and totally indistinguishable from timber. Might be trickier with a listed building – this was only 40 years old.
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9:36 AM, 2nd February 2023, About 3 years ago
It’s not the age of the building it is the listing,
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9:55 AM, 2nd February 2023, About 3 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Puzzler at 02/02/2023 – 09:32The requirement for a listed buiding is completely different and more onerous than just the building’s location within a conservation area.
Member Since December 2013 - Comments: 53
10:26 AM, 2nd February 2023, About 3 years ago
Hi
Yes we have had permission, a Grade 11 listing. I gather they wouldn`t give permission for the front, the phrase I hear is “if it can be seen from the highway.” They also look hard at places where it can be seen by a neighbour. Otherwise not such a problem. The applications can be free if you download from their website, scan and email.
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1:13 PM, 2nd February 2023, About 3 years ago
anyone know the actual criteria the a council use to determine consent or not? I’m assuming there must be a national standard so its applicable to all councils to use in the consent process?
Member Since December 2013 - Comments: 53
2:31 PM, 2nd February 2023, About 3 years ago
Reply to the comment left by DSR at 02/02/2023 – 13:13
I think that as with HMO`s there is nothing as simple as a national standard, every council seems to do their own thing.
Member Since May 2023 - Comments: 2
9:15 AM, 16th May 2023, About 3 years ago
As a sugestion, maybe fiberglass windows can be a better choice.