UPVC window in a Listed building/G2?

UPVC window in a Listed building/G2?

0:03 AM, 1st February 2023, About A year ago 25

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Hello, Has anyone had any joy in getting an LA to give the thumbs up for permission to replace a wooden sash window with a UPVC (single or double glazed) window that replicates what the original looked like from the outside in a Grade II listed building?

I was going to go to town and focus on the enviro/cost saving benefits to the occupier (benefit tenant) plus a direct move to help towards the long term enviro gov goal which includes positive moves towards the EPC standard raising etc….

Has anyone got any other nuggets to throw in that might help swing it?

I am of the opinion the more I put in the application then if refused, the more reason they have to give if refused.

I’ve already approached them to ask if they have updated their CAA Conservation Area Plan since the last one in 2007 and they have said no, plus they have no Conservation Officer AND they can’t provide any further free advice unless I fill in and pay £100 for pre-application (and that’s BEFORE I fill in a free Listed Building Consent form!)

Jokers.

Thank you,

Reluctant Landlord


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Hoff Teng

9:18 AM, 16th May 2023, About 12 months ago

Here are the FAQ https://hotfrp.com/faq, it explains why fiberglass windows are good.

Harlequin

9:22 AM, 16th May 2023, About 12 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Hoff Teng at 16/05/2023 - 09:18
A building is listed to protect its architectural features - which is why replacement is resisted (strongly) if a window is in place the LA will not give consent, I know that there is someone on here who has consent but this is extremely rare and I've never come across it - they will replace if they are completely destroyed obviously and like for like - look alike. Fibre glass I doubt will be entertained. Nice idea as there is so much now in fibre glass.

Gary BTLowner

10:38 AM, 16th May 2023, About 12 months ago

Hi Reluctant Landlord
We have a Grade 11 listed building. When the developers converted it to flats in the 90`s a lot of windows/doors were replaced with UPVC, but only at the sides and back. The LA seem only concerned with what can be seen from "the highway."
We have continued and got PP etc, but never ask for the front.

HeroType

23:48 PM, 5th November 2023, About 6 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Harlequin at 01/02/2023 - 10:13
Vandalism?? I have a Grade 2 listed building and I'd like to replace my rotten wood single glazed windows with UPVC double glazed and it's certainly not vandalism. I have spent a lot of time researching and reading up on this issue.
My windows are Georgian and I can source a UPVC window that replicates the original very closely, the cills depths/heights are the same, glass sizes the same, everything is the same Inc butt joints. If you put a certain conservation style UPVC next to a new wood window the person on the Clapham Omnibus would not be able to tell the difference, so where is the vandalism? I have discovered people who are opposed to UPVC rarely have valid reasons other than, historic bias.
UPVC windows are more efficient, better U values etc and if the windows look the same...
Wood windows warp especially in a wet climate, welcome to the UK. Once the window has warped kiss and U value goodbye, it now leaks air in and out. Damp air getting in through bad wood windows isn't good for the building itself or for people health or wealth.
Of course, Historic England are still suggesting you can use a heavy curtain to stop the draught or use shutters if you have them. Neither add to the U value and both deprive you of light meaning that you need to use more electric lighting so more damage to the planet.
Secondary glazing. I think people think you only look at a window of a listed building from the outside. From the inside, my home, secondary glazing totally spoils the look of the window. From the outside, secondary glazing looks bad and spoils the look of the window.
Do you put saving the planet over the building? If you can keep the look of the building using UPVC where is the issue, except that the UPVC reduces heat loss so helps saves the planet.
Ahh...but wood windows are more environmentally friendly to make which is not necessarily the case.
Twenty years ago, UPVC windows were not good enough to be able to mimic wood windows, today they are. People old fashioned ideas and bias need to change.

Paul Charlton

11:25 AM, 6th November 2023, About 6 months ago

I have the same dispute with our local planning board. They seem obssessed with replacing materials with near copies, never mind that a modern (longer lasting material) can look exactly the same. But when it comes to paint, I have never been asked to track down some ancient formulation - they just insist on the colour being appropriate. (ie WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!)

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