EPC confusion and work to carry out?

EPC confusion and work to carry out?

0:01 AM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago 24

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Hello, I see information that states landlords must improve their let properties to EPC C levels by 2025 and then I see it is changed to 2028 and then I see that it hasn’t actually been determined.

Does anyone have the actual facts on this matter please?

If we do need to ensure all our let property is a minimum of EPC C, how do we access a list of improvements we can make to ensure this is the case?

It seems to be a bit of a mess and total confusion which is nothing new.

Are there any grants available?

Thank you,

Karen


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Reluctant Landlord

9:43 AM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

no - it is a total mess. No one knows anything and we are all in the same boat. The government are leading by example and doing nothing, so I for one am following this path until such time as I hear any different.
I am not spending a penny more than I need to at the moment. Why bother? The only thing I am doing is ticking over until such time I feel enough is enough and sell the lot.
I anticipate the banning of S21 will be introduced way before any EPC proposals are firmed up. (That's far more vote winning). At that point the For Sale boards might go up so EPC's are the last thing on my mind....

SteveFowkes

11:18 AM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

It will never happen
Too many LLs will sell up as much ts not economically viable to bring some houses up to C
The can has already been kicked down the road... likely to he kicked further

Jan

11:23 AM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Your EPC should state exactly what you need to do and give scores for each improvement. Ours is pretty useless though as advises solar panels but fails to understand the roof faces the wrong way. My son's house needs external wall insulation but is in a conservation area and the recommended internal insulation makes one of the already small rooms too small to use. Our previous flat, also conservation area, advised internal wall insulation but we would have ruined all the original ornamental plasterwork on the walls and ceilings. We're doing what seems to be the best we can and hope common sense prevails. Even in 5 years time it's unlikely that there will be enough specialists who know what they're doing to fulfil the requirements, our housing stock is too old and complicated.

Seething Landlord

11:40 AM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Jan at 19/04/2023 - 11:23"Ours is pretty useless though as advises solar panels but fails to understand the roof faces the wrong way."
Your mistake is in making the assumption that any of the recommendations are logical, sensible or cost effective. Do you not understand that the EPC rating assessment is a box ticking exercise and you could probably have a roof facing north and overshadowed by high buildings on all sides and still have the same recommendation to install solar panels which would add the number of points stipulated by the omniscient computer, which cannot be challenged? The mistake of government is to try and use this cheapskate system for a purpose that it was not designed for in the first place.
The answer to the original question is that nobody has a clue what will be in the new regulations if and when they are introduced.

Caroline Wilson

11:48 AM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Jan at 19/04/2023 - 11:23The problem is that the software seems to generate example improvements that do not bear any reality to the property concerned. The EPC for our own house - a listed building - suggests internal and external wall insulation and I can't imagine we'll ever get listed building consent for covering over all the ornate original plasterwork. We're going to the expense with our rental property of getting an energy assessor to do another EPC and detailed recommendations of what we can do to improve the EPC how many points we will gain with each measure - will keep the community posted on whether this is a worthwhile thing to do. As we're having the roof replaced, we might as well do what we can do to improve the energy performance at the same time - both for the planet and to avoid future expense as surely the changes to EPCs are coming down the line at some point

Ardee

12:16 PM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Seething Landlord at 19/04/2023 - 11:40
I trained as an EPC assessor back in 2004. I walked away once I realised what a joke it was. The software was regularly being tweaked, which made previous ratings meaningless, although they still lasted the remainder of their 10 year lifespan.

A sub C rating, which stops a landlord from renting a property, is okay for an owner occupier so all the rented properties, that get sold into the owner occupier market, will have no requirement to meet the C rating.

Consequently, renter loses home, owner occupier buys home and does what improvements they can for a realistic cost but won't meet EPC C or the landlord would have done it. So just as many sub C ratings as there were when they were rental properties but the renters have been squeezed out of a perfectly decent home in favour of owner occupiers. That is really going to help the climate, not!

SteveFowkes

12:29 PM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Caroline Wilson at 19/04/2023 - 11:48
I wouldn't bother with any EPC improvements ATM

There's likely yo be exceptions and you'll have wasted a whole bunch of money

PH

12:56 PM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Ardee at 19/04/2023 - 12:16
That pretty much sums up the point I was going to make. I inherited a lovely 2 bed bungalow on a nice estate in a good area and decided to rent it out but I'd made a conscious decision to sell it if the EPC came in at a sub c with costly improvements required to make it a C. Fortunately it did get a grade c and my tennant is a lovely retired lady on her own who loves it with the added bonus that she has a good friend living just around the corner literally. Now had it not made grade c there's every likelihood that I'd have sold it thus denying this lady a lovely house to spend her retirement years in close to her friend. Isn't it time that tennants were consulted more often as I'm sure a large number of them are very happy to live where they are regardless of the EPC rating.

Seething Landlord

13:22 PM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

I think we are all missing the point. It's not about what tenants or landlords or owner occupiers want, it's all about government battling climate change so that they can delusionally claim to be saving the world, regardless of whether they trash the economy in the process.

Meanwhile other countries continue to churn out their 99% contribution to global warming (sorry if we are actually contributing more than 1%).

Jan

14:27 PM, 19th April 2023, About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Seething Landlord at 19/04/2023 - 11:40
Spot on!

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