Can I take a locksmith with me?

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10:43 AM, 10th August 2013
About 8 years ago

Can I take a locksmith with me?

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Can I take a locksmith with me?

I have purchased a property recently but have no keys for it. Can I take a locksmith with me?

The previous landlord says she cant find them.

I have tried to contact the tenant on several occasions but with no joy.

If I give her 24 hours notice in writing that I intend to visit the property to have the boiler checked for a Gas Safety Certificate am I entitled to force entry if i am refused?

I look forward to hearing from you




Recardo Knights

22:02 PM, 14th August 2013
About 8 years ago

Hi Mary I agree with your experience, but read both my posts again. You are not addressing my post.

I will always give 2-3 4 days notice if not more that I need to do an inspection. not 24 hrs.

If I then turn up after a week because they have not answered my text, letters, phone call etc. I will force entry ( Dead or left my property, or got a ganger factory going)

If the tenant replies and does not want me to have the keys< OK leave notice in the post!

Tenant feels they have a bad landlord then leave, don't be in breach of the tenancy agreement by changing locks without my permission.

I TELL my tenants I respect their privacy and a peaceful way of life, and they should respect me and their neighbours to a peaceful and quite life,

Mary I don't know you personally, I don't Know mark either, as have never met but I will have no problem in giving you both a set of keys to my house, you seem to be like mind people. The tenant may not be.

If a tenant does not trust a landlord don't move in to his property!

Unfortunately we do not know the tenant that is moving in, should we not protect our self from the bad ones, who know the law and want to take us for a ride.

Stop being so soft the law does not look after us or pay the lost rent or damages.

Mark Alexander

22:21 PM, 14th August 2013
About 8 years ago

Recardo, the purpose of this forum is to share best practice, NOT to attempt to justify or encourage illegal activity. Based on your last few posts I think you may be in the wrong place. By all means stick around if you want to learn how to do things properly but please respect the mission of The GOOD Landlords Campaign.

Recardo Knights

23:03 PM, 14th August 2013
About 8 years ago

Hi Mark,

I am not encouraging or attempting to encourage ILLEAGAL action.

I am stating what I would do in the event that a tenant DOES not respond to my request in the scenario given. YOU or any other reader should not do it.

It still seems that averted 3 postings on this scenario I am getting advice on no questions asked. Please read the postings again. Scroll up

Dear landlords do NOT force entry into your Bad tenants house, you will get in trouble. I advise you to follow the rules. If you find them dead or they have left the property after 4 months trying to get a reply from them, no problem

I have learnt a lot from this site and recommended others to Join for the wealth of information given by other landlords,

Mark if you think my posting of what I would do in this scenario is wrong, or may encourage ILLEGAL action by the pore honest landlord, it is ONLY my opinion, let me know and I will continue to monitor 118 but will not post MY opinions again.

It seems on my last few postings no one answers the question posed, but offers opinions on other things.

Mark please keep your site going as it is beneficial to all landlords, but on second thoughts after 3 postings on this subject without any one reading the post properly I will not post again.

I respect the forum is to share best practice by landlords (do the tenants do the same?)

Thanks to your site I have learnt a lot



Mark Alexander

23:44 PM, 14th August 2013
About 8 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Recardo Knights" at "14/08/2013 - 23:03":

Recardo, thank you for your explanation and sorry for misunderstanding/misinterpreting your questions/comments. I thought your questions had already been answered in this thread. Along with at least one other, I had misinterpreted what you were trying to say in a few of your recent posts.

Until Mary Latham corrected me at the beginning of this thread I was unclear about entering a property, having given notice to a tenant but not having been denied access. I now understand that if the locks have been changed or if I do not have a key I need to obtain a court order to obtain entry. Obviously the Police do not.

I've been in the business for 24 years and I still learn something new every day. We've had a lot of new people on the forum of late who seem to be able to recite legislation as if they had drafted it, I'm delighted to have them here and I'm learning loads from them at the moment.

I'm going to share a true story about one of my tenants who I thought had died in one of my properties, her name was Justine. She was a very nice lady and a very good tenant.

I had spoken to Justine to arrange a Gas Safety check two weeks in advance. A few days before the Gas Safety check was due I realised that her rent had not been paid so I tried to call her but didn't get an answer. I didn't think that much of it at the time, I just sent my standard overdue rent letter, the first of which is very softly worded. When the Gas engineer turned up a few days later to do the Gas Safety Test I got a call from him to say she wasn't there. I tried to call her again and got no answer. I tried again the following day and her mobile phone was switched off. The same thing happened for a few days so I sent her a letter giving her 24 hours notice that I would be letting myself in with my spare key and accompanying the Gas Engineer whilst he did the tests. She didn't respond and when we got to the property we knocked several times, banged on the door, shouted through the letter box etc. We noticed the post was piling up so we thought she might be on holiday. That's when we decided to let ourselves in. We had a key so we opened the door and that's when we got scared. The door had been security chained from the inside and as soon as it opened we noticed a terrible stench. We immediately called the Police and they came quite quickly. They eventually forced access by breaking the chain off to find the tenant in a terrible state, the Police refused to let us into the property. They came out to inform us that she was either drunk or drugged but she had crapped herself and thrown up everywhere. Apparently she was lying in a pool of vomit, fortunately still alive. An ambulance came and took her away, more Police arrived and we were advised to leave. I still had no idea what was going on so I contacted the Police again the following day. All they could tell me was that Justine was alive and recovering well but under no circumstances was I to enter the property. There was nothing in the local press to give any hint of what had happened. A few weeks later Justine contacted me and asked me to visit her at the property. She apologised for causing me so much worry and inconvenience, she refused to tell me what had happened though and just wanted to settle her rent arrears and do a deal on the deposit for a months rent in lieu off notice. The place was spotless. I never did find out what really went on.

Does this help?

10:43 AM, 24th July 2017
About 4 years ago

Let me suggest something real fast. Most people don’t stop to consider the differences between Locksmith Company & a Locksmith. There are several people who'll try to dump you by acting like a locksmith but in real they are not. Please beware of such people.

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