You do not know me!

You do not know me!

13:32 PM, 28th November 2018, About 5 years ago 56

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Readers letter to MPs:

In my opinion some of you if not all, who are pushing for all new laws like scraping section 21, bringing in 3 year tenancy, all the fines, tenant to be given free solicitors to sue the landlords, etc, etc. You are inciting hatred/stiring up hatred against landlords.

Landlords were called “Bastards” by the Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth and he is supposed to set an example. Shame on him and the lot of you for doing all this, just so you can become popular, your name can be written in History books, you can win votes. This is all in self interest. Not in nations interest.

There are always two sides to the story

By bringing in unnecessary legislation to achieve your means of draining the last pence out of us to fill the holes where you have not budgeted properly, win your self votes and popularity, it is disgusting and abuse of power.

Why do you want to call me a bastard? You don’t know me. My parents were married before I was born

The 2nd meaning of a bastard is that I am an unpleasant or despicable person. Again you can not say that about me, you don’t know me.

For your information I have been doing this job for last 30 years. I also worked at three other jobs at the same time so I could fulfill my commitments to the lender every month at the time of Mrs Thatcher when the interest rates were in double figures. My husband and I also supported our two little children without ANY HELP/HANDOUTS from the government.

We had very bad experiences and had gone through hell but we continued without ANY HELP and Handouts from the government.

We thought we will work hard/slog/ go without holidays/social life/new gadgets/clothes/etc now whilst we are young so we can build security for ourselves when we are older/retired.

What have you guys done, pulled the rug under our feet by bringing in Section 24. Grossly unfair. We are overtaxed to pay for whom?

Lazy, dishonest, criminals, fraudsters of the tenants who not only don’t want to work, but want to produce kids and expect my family to pay for them. Hello who paid for my children?

If that is not enough the lying tenants fabricate stories and drag us in the courts, they get free solicitors and we have to re-mortgage our house or to sell a property to pay for the legal costs.

What about all those tenants that intentionally go out of their way to give landlords false referencing with the intention of not paying the rent and staying in the property for as long as possible or damage a property which is costing landlords many £1000s. Landlords facing financial ruin because of this.

Who fabricates the stories? The tenants. Who does not pay the rents? The tenants? Who damages the place? The tenants? Who does the judge believe? The tenants. Why?

Because people like you say nasty things about Landlords  and bring in unnecessary legislation/s, media pick up on it and it’s “Wow” such and such has put this bill forward.

You are taxing us to death, we are the highest taxpayers. If that was not enough, for a trivial oversight you want to fine us £30,000 and make us criminal? You want the rent back for 12 months?  It should be enough we protect the deposit but a trivial mistake in paperwork where it is not even detrimental to the tenant, the judge has to either award the money or/and stop LL getting the possession back.

For example one landlord gave Prescribed information, tenant agreed however because the LL’s signature was not witnessed it was thrown out even though there was no determent to the tenant. So now Landlord is stuck, can not get him out, tenant is not paying rent, living rent free. How fair is this?

Why are the Judges doing this? You are passing the legislation where the poor judge has no say in it and another reason because you have incited the hatred against the landlords. So even when the LL are telling the truth the judges are more likely to take the tenants sides because of all these horror stories Karen Buck says people in her area have experienced. Has Karen ever gone in depth to find out what the reality is? NO NO NO. Just because we LL don’t run to our MP’s when the tenant has stopped paying us rent, or/and damaged the property it does not mean it’s not happening. In fact LL have been abused more than tenants.

There are more bad tenants than LL. Most LL are good, we look after our tenants as well as our properties because it is in our interest to keep good tenants as long as possible and our properties in good repair for financial reasons. But it will not continue the same way. Why? Because of you people bring in more and more burdens and one day we’ll say “enough is enough”. Leave the sector all together like it happened previously when there was protected tenancy and regulated rent.

All I can say that the system is, for you people to win votes and everything for your self interest. There is no national interest or level playing field 

Why don’t you apply the same rules for tenants? Then these questions would not arise.LL have tenants who stop paying rents, damage the property, antisocial behavior, assault LL, claim HB and other disabled benefits by pretending at the assessment, start crying, play acting in front of the medical team saying I was tortured in my country when I was young, I have flashbacks,etc etc.

And you know what? The tenant’s team of medical professionals write to the benefit people/DWP and blue badge department and the housing department saying

” Mr xx has significant struggle with both his mental and physical health. He meets criteria for post traumatic stress disorder to his reported traumas associated with his experiences of being detained and tortured in xxx over one year period as well traumatic events he experienced as a child. He also displays many trauma symptoms related to his x wife and baby. He also suffers major depressive disorder and is significantly socially isolated a result of his his symptoms.”

What is all this garbage? Did the medical professionals opened his brain to see if this was real? Did the Professional team  make any checks in his country to see if he was ever detained ?  The professional team write down (the play acting by the tenant) what they see for 20 mins and the story the patient/tenant give them. Professional team then gives him prescription, support of a social worker, support his application for disabled badge, housing, benefits and DWP benefits. What a joke.

The tenant of-course makes sure he doesn’t take the medicines and continues regularly to go to his professional team. A couple of days before the visit of his social worker or appointment with the medical team he does not shave or bathe and wears scruffy clothes so he can play the part in front of his professionals. They are cunning, 100 steps ahead, they have game plan. The medical professional team don’t see this because it is a short visit, 7 minutes for the GP , it is very easy to act for short periods. However the neighbors see them walking, jumping, leading a social normal life, LL get to know a lot about their tenants from the neighbors, LL also have cctv.

Then the tenant gets Environment involved saying the flat has damp, there is a drain smell, he can’t open windows, there are bars on the window, he lives in the basement, it’s dark, even in summer it’s cold. Then he says in a little mouse’s voice crying to to his professional team that  all these things remind him of when he was detained in prison. Please can you support my application to be moved.(However when this same tenant speaks to the Landlords they speak like Lions.)

These tenants are the criminals.

Who pays for free medications that he throws away? Who pays for the social worker when not needed? Who pays for medical team when not needed? Who pays for his legal aid? Who pays for his FREE accommodation? Who pays for his council tax? Who pays his £300.00 per week benefit spending money?

Hard working tax paying LL and their families. Both my children leave home at 7.30 am and get back home between 7 and 8 pm. Is this fair?

Instead of appreciating a beautiful flat in central London, RENT FREE, COUNCIL TAX FREE, getting over £300 a week FREE spending money  (Karen Buck this is for you) Tenants are still not satisfied, they want to bleed the LL of every penny including putting a charge on the property till LL pays the compensation awarded by the Judge.

How did the tenant managed to get such a large compensation from the judge? By being dis-honest, play acting that he is the victim here,not allowing access to the landlord to inspect or carry out repairs, by producing back dated letters made up at the last minute and of course not forgetting no win, no fee and/or legal aid solicitor putting even more ideas in tenant’s head. These are criminals not LL.

Tenant throws water on the walls a couple of days before EO is supposed to visit. Tenants don’t allow access for this reason they have a game plan. They deliberately block the toilet/bath to show the EO what a nasty LL he/she is. The tenant will say I have asked my landlord so many times but he/she doesn’t repair. They drain the water out of the boiler and show to EO that their heating has not been working for days. The tenants gets compensation awarded for leaving without heat and hot water. EO are not technical in boiler repairs. They have to write down what they see at the time of visit.

Tenant produces back dated letters which he has never posted. If LL ever goes to the property Tenant calls up the police screaming harassment and takes injunction against the LL coming any where near the property.

These are criminal tenants.

It is the tenants who have the upper hand, if they feel like it, they will pay the rent, if you ask for it whether in person,by phone,text or email, they claim the LL is harassing them and go to the likes of shelter who arranges no win,no fee or/and legal aid solicitors. Tenants have nothing to lose but for LL even to defend made up cases like these cost a lot of time and money.

This is  retaliatory behavior from tenant side because LL asked for legally due rent. Why don’t you pass a bill to stop this? If tenant is in arrears they can not bring a defense claim against the LL?

It should be made a law once section 8 or 21 served the tenant can not raise new complaints about repairs just to stop/postpone the case.

It should be made law once section 8 served for rent arrears they can not top up little money to be less than 8 weeks. They can pay the money but it has to be in full to stop the case.

The tenant should not be allowed legal aid for eviction cases.

If you walk out of a shop without paying for an item, it’s a criminal offense, so what is the difference when they don’t pay the rent? This should be a criminal offence.

If they damage someone’s car or anything else, it’s a criminal damage, so why is it not a criminal damage when they smash up my rented place to them?

If LL are prohibited from renting due their offenses than it should be the same for tenants, not allowed to rent and there should be a register.

Surely all of you can use common sense, why would a LL evict a good tenant who pays the rent on time, looks after the place? It cost time money to LL to find another tenant (redecoration, new bed, inventory, advertising, etc,etc)

I am prepared to meet up with who ever and what I have said about tenant’s behavior are real cases known to me personally.

I could go on and on and on. But I have had enough.

Regards

Rishah


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Comments

Clint

21:44 PM, 29th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by David Price at 29/11/2018 - 21:14I was rather astonished by what Mandy had written as I have experienced Shelter supporting a vile tenant who stole money from me by not paying the rent and due to a technicality in the court paper work, got away with no CCJs for over £3000 rent that was owed and left a newly decorated property in a real mess ready to be fully redecorated once more.
The only way shelter supports the tenants is by using the legal aid system to help the tenant get away with no CCJs for rent owed and preparing them for the next landlord.
I think Mandy you are swaying away from your usually very good posts but who am I to say I must have missed something.
I agree with your comments David.

Mark Shine

21:58 PM, 29th November 2018, About 5 years ago

I didn’t know which thread to post on but I guess this is as good as any:

@ NLA (Larry’s one I mean, not the other one btw) : Firstly well done for having the cojones to take such a difficult project on to attempt to officially defend the PRS with some much needed FACTS.

Sadly personally I’m still on the fence a little about the pros / cons of your new Shelter attacking organisation (I can see both positives and negatives in this initial approach) but would it be a good idea to consider updating your website with a comprehensive list of aims & specific ACTIONS u guys are proposing to undertake & how new membership fees will VERY specifically be spent on.... to assist potential new members (whether from P118 or ideally elsewhere as well) who are still deciding whether or not to cough up the £100 membership fee?

Mandy Thomson

7:25 AM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

I don't have an easy answer to the question of what should an alternative approach to the Landlord Alliance's be, all I can tell you is their approach is so far doing more harm than good (warning: some of the below is offensive with possible bad language, and these are the BALANCED ones):

https://twitter.com/Adam_Hosker/status/1065653864689479681

https://twitter.com/joelgolby/status/1065263298185175041

https://twitter.com/JimmyThePerv/status/1065290937423810562

https://twitter.com/mattwaring24/status/1065265822183104512

https://twitter.com/MadisonHay1956/status/1065636885354156032

https://twitter.com/4_Walls/status/1065249810343694336

...And there's many more. These are accounts writing from tenants and landlords perspectives.

A possible alternative? I think Robert Mellors has it. Perhaps we could profile people like Rob Mellors and David Price who house vulnerable tenants and describe the particular challenges they face, as well as other landlords.

TheMaluka

8:37 AM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mandy Thomson at 30/11/2018 - 07:25
Unfortunately Mandy my life is too full to ever use Twitter, I have tried briefly but find it very frustrating, so I have not seen any of the tweets you reference. I would not condone bad or offensive language.
I would not object to being profiled but soon I will not be facing any of the challenges you cite. I am now only taking tenants who can afford my increased rents, increased because of government regulation and taxes. This excludes all the tenants whose sole income is state benefits, the individuals who were causing all the problems.
On a lighter note the local publican has asked me to keep taking the benefit tenants as they form the mainstay of his customer base. At least one landlord wins!

Mark Alexander - Founder of Property118

8:42 AM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mandy Thomson at 30/11/2018 - 07:25
There are an army of people in Social Media that willl object Mandy, let’s just accept that they will continue to attack us regardless.

On the other hand I would prefer to see how Larry’s strategy works out. Support is growing and the enemy are shocked. Shock and awe tactics are working in my opinion, and whilst I accept that some poorly worded comments provide them with ammunition so be it.

Mandy Thomson

10:13 AM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by David Price at 30/11/2018 - 08:37
"soon I will not be facing any of the challenges you cite. I am now only taking tenants who can afford my increased rents, increased because of government regulation and taxes. This excludes all the tenants whose sole income is state benefits, the individuals who were causing all the problems."

So you've been forced to let to professionals instead of the vulnerable housing benefit tenants you previously let to, no doubt because of clause 24 and universal credit.

Your properties are within commuting distance of Central London, so you could have let to professionals all along if you chose - you would have had plenty of interest.

Yet you chose to let to a group of challenging people with serious issues that even someone with a background in social services or mental health would have thought twice about. And no, with the LHA BRMA in place, this WASN'T so you could "line your pockets with tax payer's money", certainly not in London and the South East.

Yvonne Francis

11:51 AM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mandy Thomson at 29/11/2018 - 17:44
Mandy, I do not know exactly why Shelter has been bought into this post. It is after all although influential, only one organisation wishing to restrict Landlords. This post originally refers to Lord Bourne’s comments in the Lords which after all are the horse’s month and even more important than anything Shelter can do. And what is more they play politics with all this and as Landlords are in the minority we come off worse representing less votes. After all no one likes paying rent as much as everyone hates paying taxes making an even richer issue for political capital. There is never any balance to the argument showing that the ever increasing restrictions are also a restriction on the tenant’s ability to choose.

I just cannot agree that Lord Bourne’s statement (and I did read it all) was a gesture to simply route out ‘rogue’ or ‘bastard’ Landlords or something to that spirit mentioned in one of your comments to me. My point was that there are ‘rogue’ or ‘bastard’ people in every trade or professions and this problem with Landlords should be bought into perspective.

TheMaluka

13:06 PM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mandy Thomson at 30/11/2018 - 10:13
Mandy I am not sure what you intend by your comment but I will try to respond.
I have a block of 100 small flats which in the past I have been happy to let to any reasonable person, claiming or not. Over the past few years government regulation and taxation have forced me to be much more choosy as to the tenants I house. I was happy with benefit tenants just as long as I was paid direct but with Universal Credit the problem is too time consuming, so all Universal Credit tenants have to go. At one time I had a social conscience, a conscience which has been edited out of my business plan by constant government attacks. These attacks are actively supported by Shelter.
EPC regulations have forced me to spend half a million pounds upgrading the building and this is money I must recoup if my business is to remain viable, combined with the loss of wear and tear allowance and section 24 this has led to a 20% increase in rents. If Housing allowance had not been frozen then benefit tenants could still afford the rent, but since they cant then I will, by default rather than design, move over to working tenants albeit probably still claiming some state benefit.
A class of tenant I will not take under any circumstances is one referred by the Local Authority or Social Services for they often ask for accommodation for the real rogues - I have been bitten far too often to ever take the risk again.
I have spent £100k on a new perimeter wall, again an enhancement that will benefit my tenants but one for which the tenants, the only source of income, will have to pay.
Now working people demand an internet connection so that is my next planned enhancement, an enhancement which will increase the rents still further (there is no such thing as free WiFi).

Larry Sweeney

21:14 PM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Mandy. With the greatest of respect you are wrong. We have amazing support and we look beyond the landlord community. We look to the fantastic kind public who give to charity because they are kind decent people. Our initiative will go from strength to strength exposing this multi million pound housing charity for what it is and it most certainly houses nobody. To be fair to Shelter and to give them credit, they have an amazing PR machine.

Mark Shine

22:44 PM, 30th November 2018, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Larry Sweeney at 30/11/2018 - 21:14
Am still a little unclear what & how the £100 membership fees will be specifically spent on, but as a suggestion, have you considered trying to set up user accounts to connect with other LL web forums to strengthen the voice?

Some will cost you to join (eg RLA & NLA forums) but prob worth it as one off payment to attempt to join forces with other media reps within the PRS?

Below are just a few of them..

https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/

https://www.propertytribes.com

https://www.landlordforumproject.co.uk

https://www.rla.org.uk/forums/index.shtml

http://residentiallandlord.ipbhost.com/forum/2-landlords-forum/

https://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2013/04/08/uk-discussion-forums-for-landlords/

https://moneyforums.citywire.co.uk/yaf_topics10_Property.aspx

https://landlords.org.uk

https://www.propertyhawk.co.uk/LandlordForum/index.php

https://community.openrent.co.uk

https://www.landlordlaw.co.uk/about-forum

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=16

https://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk/forum/discuss/community-forum/

https://blog.upad.co.uk/blog

http://ihowz.uk

There’s many more including lots of regional ones...

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