0:02 AM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago 13
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Hello, my London Borough is keen on licensing all HMOs.
I live in a four-bedroom (now four-bathroom) house on my own; there are two living rooms and a year-round conservatory but only one shared kitchen.
The local authority has said in the past that I don’t need to be registered if I have two lodgers (and a third if related to me). I have been approached by a previous lodger who’d like to move in with his (unmarried) partner. If I gave just one of my lodgers notice, do members feel that these two would be treated as one household with one additional lodger? Or would they do a head count and decide the house should be registered?
I don’t mind going on courses but adding door closers etc to the original Edwardian doors would destroy the character of the house. As I have no mortgage, I am not worried about the income I just want agreeable people to live with!
Thanks,
Richard
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10:39 AM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
In the scenario of you + couple + 1, it would meet the prescribed description of an HMO, so Additional Licencing would apply. Conditions are not as onerous as for (larger) Mandatory HMOs though.
Solid old doors are usually fine, except perhaps for kitchen-hall (high risk room onto escape route). Mains wired smoke alarms (1 each floor) will be expected (same if you let the whole house to a family), but mostly they will simply check bedroom sizes on a floorplan you provide against standards – checking it’s not overcrowded. That’s the one thing to check yourself before applying.
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12:44 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
Thanks Simon, your thoughts are rather as I feared so I’d have to give two lodgers notice, if I wanted the couple, or go down the route of an HMO. I’ve had mains-wired smoke alarms fitted as a condition of the loft conversion so I could keep the original doors and, after part of the kitchen ceiling collapsed,have fitted fire resistant plasterboard on that ceiling.
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14:45 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
The Housing Act 2004 schedule 14 (6) states the maximum number of lodgers living in a property, before it is classed as an HMO, is two.
If three or more lodgers live in a property, in addition to the landlord and his or her family, the property will be defined as an HMO.
It doesn’t matter if the lodgers are related to each other or not – the rule is around forming two or more separate households.
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15:41 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
As it’s owner occupier, pretty sure it’s different rules. Check housing act 2004 s,255 on legislation.gov.uk
There are all sorts of loopholes
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15:43 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Judith Wordsworth at 21/07/2023 – 14:45
if the lodgers are related they are one household
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16:19 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Judith Wordsworth at 21/07/2023 – 14:45
Yes, I found that out Judith when the Council confirmed that I could only have two lodgers before being registered. Looking, as you mention, at the Housing Act 2004 s.258 as quoted by Shelter it defines a single household as a family, for example a couple (whether married or not and including same sex couples) or persons related to one another. On this basis, I could let to a couple plus a single lodger [and even a student cousin!].
Having let these rooms for a good many years I have found that it’s usually a good atmosphere with more than one lodger – and it keeps a pensioner on his toes!
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20:35 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
It is number of persons, not number of households, that matters in defining an HMO for Additional Licencing –unless ALL occupants are related to one another.
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20:49 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Simon F at 21/07/2023 – 20:35
In Manchester, 5 occupants are needed before licensing. Generally, flats with 4 people seem fine, although they can be HMOs. Not all relations are counted. We had two couples in a flat where the women were cousins, but, although they were related, this does not count as 2 households,
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21:43 PM, 21st July 2023, About 2 years ago
As a regular contributor to this site I find it quite concerning so many different interpretations of what constitutes the correct procedures to apply in running HMOs. This is type of development seems to be expanding hugely particularly in areas with very large homes that families no longer want. Clearly not a straight forward system!
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8:31 AM, 22nd July 2023, About 2 years ago
The rules about how many people will form a household are different if they are lodgers who live with the property owner. As has been stated above, the number is two – which is set by The Licensing and Management of Houses in Multiple Occupation and Other Houses (Miscellaneous Provisions) (England) Regulations 2006 section 6(2) which provides the number omitted from the Housing Act 2004 Schedule 14 section (6)(1)(c).
It says ‘persons’ rather than ‘households’ so that probably means that if you rent to three sisters as lodgers that would make an HMO. However Schedule 14 section (6)(1)(b) says that any member of the household of the property owner won’t count towards an HMO, so if you take in three of your own sisters, that will be OK!
Note that the fact that a property is an HMO does not mean that it is a licensable HMO. The mandatory licensing limit is five persons in two households but this can be changed by individual councils.
You may be interested in this website which has free legal and other information for lodger landlords https://www.lodgerlandlord.co.uk/