Generation Rent want open ended tenancies and Landlords to cover moving costs

Generation Rent want open ended tenancies and Landlords to cover moving costs

10:17 AM, 1st September 2021, About 2 months ago 30

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Generation Rent wants landlords to cover the moving costs of tenants if they are looking to gain possession to sell or return back to the property as their main residence. They claim these types of unwanted moves cost private renters in England £229m per year and are also calling on the government to introduce open-ended tenancies as part of its reforms to the rental market.

Generation Rent has come up with a median household typical upfront cost of an unplanned move at £1,709 which includes:

The deposit on a new home, worth five weeks’ rent- £808. Two weeks paying rent on two properties while moving – £323. Time off work to view properties, pack, and move home – £250 for 28 hours at minimum wage. Cleaning costs – two hours at £24. Van hire – one day at £34. Broadband installation – £20.

Generation Rent said: “Our summer survey, which had responses from 884 people who have rented from a private landlord in the last 5 years found that over half (56%) paid more rent when they last moved home. Alongside financial costs, almost half (44%) reported having to move further away from friends or family, 15% were further from a hospital, and 5% had to move their children’s school.

“The government has promised a White Paper on reform of the rental market this autumn. We are calling for open-ended tenancies, which would give tenants stability and flexibility, enabling them to put down roots in secure homes that they can call their own. Where landlords wish to sell or move in, they should pay the equivalent of 2 month’s rent towards tenants’ moving costs, to minimise the stress of moving.

“Renters are shelling out millions to pay for house moves that they have no choice but to make. Not only is moving home expensive, it can force renters to move away from essential support networks, family and friends, and can disrupt children’s education. Renters deserve secure and stable homes where they can put down roots in their communities and thrive. With tenancies so short and evictions so common, this right is out of reach for millions of private renters. Generation Rent is calling on the Government to commit to open ended tenancies in the upcoming Renters Reform White Paper, and to make landlords contribute to renters’ moving costs in the event of an unplanned and unavoidable move.”


by JB

21:21 PM, 1st September 2021, About 2 months ago

When tenants give notice to leave maybe they should pay the landlords advertising costs, time showing prospective tenants around, referencing costs, deposit protection costs, inventory cost, void period, redecorating costs, admin costs (right to rent check, EICR/gas cert issuing etc etc)

by Mick Roberts

8:11 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Paul Shears at 01/09/2021 - 19:57
Yes Paul it's exactly that.

The Govt & Council authorities say they are responsible adults and they will be paid the Housing Element rent direct. They can look after theirselves and they WILL give u the rent.
Yet the same Govt & Council authorities say No, they aren't responsible enough to check the smoke alarms, if they have a fire, it's landlords fault for not checking every 4 months. We can't rely or trust on the tenant to do that, but we can trust em with £2000 to pay u.

That tenant is also not responsible enough to go online and get his own EPC, u the Landlord must go online and print him a hard copy and give it him personally or u can never evict this person with a Section 21 if he's a naughty boy.

by JB

8:45 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 02/09/2021 - 08:11
Hey Mick. You didn't add that you've got to get a signature for issuing the paperwork and carefully store it!

by Mick Roberts

10:04 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by JB at 02/09/2021 - 08:45
Yes & Judge will kick it out on that too.

I'll keep putting this in if anyone thinks it's worth spreading elsewhere as it relates to this post of too much regulation:
Every policy the Councils & Govt brings to what they think will help tenants, ends up hurting them, they han't got a clue.

U let Landlords do what they want as long as it's legal, stop all the Govt and Council and Universal Credit calamities & Licensing attacks etc. Loads more people would buy to rent out. More choice for tenants, they'd say Not having your house not good enough and they go down the road to get the next one.
But now there is no choice for them, yet we get the blame. So Govt attacks us again, we charge the tenant to pay for these attacks, tenant goes to Govt again moaning, Govt attacks us again and the circle carries on.

For example, u have a Newsreader on 150k salary. He has 100k in the bank doing 1% interest & he's miffed. You tell him he can put this 100k in a house, leave it with a letting agent, as long as he does what the agent asks in terms of making sure he pays for the boiler certificate, electrical certificate etc., make the house legal, safe, not dangerous. That agent will then get 6% return for that house on your money, maybe 4% after all your repairs, fees etc.
You han't got to go on any silly accreditation courses to prove u can add 2+2, u han't got fill Licensing forms in for hours upon end, the Letting Agent is already checked out as being responsible, u won't go to prison if tenant takes batteries out smoke alarm, as we don't pass all the buck onto the Landlord now where the tenant has clearly been irresponsible etc. etc.
The Newsreader & all those with some cash in the bank & also those with deposits for a mortgage will think Well, much better return for me money PLUS I alleviate the homeless problem if I have a conscience too, it's a win win.

And that is how u bring rents down. Us Landlords that's still here, know tenants in most areas are queuing for houses, they can't get anywhere, Rogue Landlords can leave house dangerous, cause tenant has no choice.
Give tenant a choice, next Landlord has to improve his house or it will be empty & he will also have to be competitive.

by Ian Narbeth

10:18 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Hi Mick
I agree with much of what you say. I would be careful though of requiring that properties be managed by a letting agent. That will drive many landlords out of the market. It also hands a monopoly to agents.

There may be a case for requiring letting agents who charge for their services to be better regulated and trained but the corollary of agents having to be involved will be to criminalise landlords who self-manage.

by Mick Roberts

10:47 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Ian Narbeth at 02/09/2021 - 10:18
Yeah I'm not saying Require to be managed by Letting Agent, just that people could leave them with Agent & job done. However Licensing has made it so that no matter what, Landlord is responsible, we can't use Agent as excuse if Agent not kept on top of something that has to be abided to.

Some Landlords are having to take away from Agents cause the sheer costs Agents are now charging cause of more compliance with more regs/rules.

Here's another one for u where I might start another thread.

They are calling for the legislation, which is the main barrier to solving the ‘lets with pets’ challenge, to be amended to enable agents and landlords to either charge tenants a pet deposit or require a tenant to take out specialist insurance.

New data in a report being published today, ‘Heads for Tails’ by pet charity AdvoCATS, finds that almost one in five landlords who previously allowed pets in rented accommodation have stopped doing so since the passage of the Tenant Fees Act in 2019.

This is because, as the report explains, “the Act effectively prohibits landlords from asking for pet damage insurance and it fails to include a separate pet deposit as part of its list of permitted payments”.

This shows how backwards & imbecile this Govt & Generation rent & Shelter are. They called for banning of extra £100 £200 deposit etc. for tenants with pets deposits. So Govt banned Landlords charging extra for Pets. Now as we know, tenants with pets are struggling to get homes. We told 'em this would happen.

Unbelievable-Wasn't this how we used to do it till the Govt & Generation rent wrecked it for Renters?

My repeated notes on this:

Gees, how simple was it when we could just charge higher deposit and those that did no damage got all money back. So so simple.
No better insurance than the tenants own money.
Now look what Shelter and Generation rent and the Govt have done. Made it MUCH MUCH worse for tenants yet again.
My text below I've done before.

Landlords: pets are okay if you pay for extra insurance to cover any damage.
Gov: in that case we will make it illegal to charge extra insurance.
LLs: well then we will have to slightly increase deposits for those with pets.
Gov: in that case we will cap deposits at 5 weeks rent.
LLs: okay well we can't really allow pets anymore then.
Gov: in that case we will force you to take tenants with pets.
LLs: well then we have no choice but to increase rent across the board even for tenants without pets.
Gov: oh.
Tenants: why is rent so high??


10:53 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 02/09/2021 - 10:47
A slight error there, Mick.
Should have read;
LLs: well then we have no choice but to increase rent across the board even for tenants without pets.

by Mick Roberts

11:03 AM, 2nd September 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by neilt at 02/09/2021 - 10:53
Ha ha yes. But if u look at the latest Scotland info, they regretting that too. Landlords that din't increase every year were now doing so.

I'd like rent control, get rent increase every then on my Benefit tenants. Cause as it is, I try not to put theirs up until Govt increases the rents,so it doesn't cost the tenant anything out their own pocket.

by David Judd

7:40 AM, 4th September 2021, About 2 months ago

£24 for an end of tenancy clean, quick give the cleaning companies number out thats an absolute bargain. Generation Rent are a pain in the butt, militant, and stir up problems. They should be rounded up and taken up Scotland

by Paul Shears

8:55 AM, 4th September 2021, About 2 months ago

£24 would not even cover the cost to clean a small carpet. This is absolutely ridiculous.

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