Shelter ask for Landlords views

by Property 118

10:12 AM, 13th June 2019
About 12 months ago

Shelter ask for Landlords views

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Shelter ask for Landlords views

Two Property118 members have pointed out that Shelter are actually asking for views from Landlords and have produced a survey to complete: Click Here.

The request from Shelter states: “Take our survey to help us understand what’s important to you and how we can best work together towards developing a better private rental sector. Answers are completely anonymised.”

Questions include:

  • What were your motivations for becoming a landlord?
  • What are the best things about being a landlord?
  • What are the main challenges you face as a landlord?
  • How would you describe your relationship with your tenants?
  • How do you think Shelter can work better with landlords?
  • What has been your experience of Shelter?

We all hope this can be used as a positive step for Shelter and the PRS to start working together as opposed to against each other to the benefit of tenants.


Jonathan Clarke

10:15 AM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Both sides are angry , disappointed , frustrated , polarised , hurting . Some in their respective camps are mad at each other and at the opposing party . Both parties of course have good stuff they do . Both sides have not so good things they do .
Its a classic conflict which requires sorting if and only if the mind and the heart is willing on both sides . Check this out .
I suggest this conflict would benefit from professional resolution intervention . It works for all kinds of conflict in various guises . I suggest both sides pay for an experienced professional mediator / facilitator to bring them together if that what both parties want. That was my professional job for 12 years . And I was good at it ( brag brag ) But I wont offer to facilitate this as I`m burnt out now after all that time. Its exhausting , draining and intense work for a facilitator but ultimately rewarding when successful and when you bring two warring factions together who then shake hands and say something along the lines of . `Sorry for being a bit confrontational and not seeing your point of view . But now that I heard your side i can better respect your perspective .
Can we perhaps now let things go we said in the past and work together to resolve this `........................

We used to call this point the magic moment
To get to that point can take just an hour long meeting or it can take a year. It depends on the people involved
Best of luck to both the PRS and Shelter in resolving this conflict

Larry Sweeney

10:19 AM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Thank you Freda . Please allow me to explain. The Alliance is open for constructive dialogue with anybody. In tbe early days we did approach shelter, but they dismissed us. In fact after my BBC r4 interview ,they suggested that we were nothing more than a handful of landlords. How wrong they were. I obviously cannot explain the structure of the Alliance on a public forum but i will disclose that we have in effect a steering committee .(double figures) and in its entirity agree that we will never lie down in the face of attacks. We offered an olive branch to shelter, they rejected it. We will not be revisiting that. If Shelter really want dialogue they can come to us and we will listen and engage. Shelter should know that the Alliance email box is full of emails from all over the country praising us for our David v Goliath fight. The Alliance will not stand by while landlords are attacked, villified and the entire sector demonised. I have no time for pussyfooting around, i will call a spade a spade. There has been enough indulgence of Shelter and we now have an organisation and steering committee in place to push back. The Alliance is on the map. We have a question for Shelter
When was it ever necessary anywhere for a group of concerned citizens to come together to form an organisation to monitor the activities of a national multi million pound charity ?. To the best of my knowledge NEVER. That really says something about how ordinary hard working citizens feel about this organisation. It is beyond the pale that it should have been necessary. Shelter can thank themselves for the National Landlords Alliance. Finally could Shelter please give £5k from their cash pile to Grenfell victims and contact us re our proposal that they bond benefit tenants so that we can assist getting them housed. That is the substantive issue and Shelter point blank refuse. Charity ,Some Charity.

Seething Landlord

11:10 AM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Luke P at 25/06/2019 - 09:17
Opening paragraphs of the House Rules:
"Property118 exists to facilitate the sharing of best practice among UK landlords, tenants and letting agents.
It is far better to learn from other peoples experiences than to learn from your own mistakes.
Please be respectful of your fellow members."

The Landlords Union (not by the way a "trade" union) is the former Property118 Action Group rebranded a few years ago - not all members of Property118 are members of TLU. What I said was accurate - the forum is not a trade union.

Annie Landlord

12:12 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Oh no. What started out as an important and interesting thread has descended into the Larry/Amelia story. Personally I don't believe much of what either of them say, but you can bet your bottom dollar that at some stage one of the more unsavoury comments will be repeated by the likes of Karen Buck MP to demonstrate the awfulness of landlords and the need for further regulation of the PRS. However, P118 is an open and useful forum and everyone should be entitled to share their views and be prepared to be challenged occasionally. Landlords are a tough lot!

Frederick Morrow-Ahmed

13:47 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by John McKay at 25/06/2019 - 10:16
'Hubby' is a joint landlord with 'Amelia'. So clearly will not feel the salary pinch from Shelter.

A landlord with 37 properties working for Shelter! 'Run with the hare and hunt (sup) with the hounds' comes to mind - if indeed it's all true.

The whole thing with 'Amelia Hartman' sounds bizarre and surreal. Anyway, it has been good entertainment!

Frederick Morrow-Ahmed

14:02 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Annie Landlord at 25/06/2019 - 12:12
After Shelter, I hope Larry will turn his guns on the unspeakable Karen Buck MP and her Legal Aid lawyer sidekick. Is it all altruistic? Snout in trough comes to mind.

John McKay

14:08 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Frederick Morrow-Ahmed at 25/06/2019 - 13:47
Her posts are clearly a work of fiction!


16:31 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

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16:51 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

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Chris Novice Shark Bait

17:30 PM, 25th June 2019
About 11 months ago

Having revisited after this string took off on a tangent and caught up, thank goodness for property 118.
For those who know Kate Faulkner do visit her web site.
She speaks sense and touches on these issues independently of this forum's healthy and lively debate. Any progress will require balance.

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