My Open Letter to Shelter who are calling for Section 21 to be banned & prosecuting Landlords who don’t take Benefit tenants

My Open Letter to Shelter who are calling for Section 21 to be banned & prosecuting Landlords who don’t take Benefit tenants

10:47 AM, 10th March 2022, About 2 years ago 40

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Shelter are doing webinars on: The Renters’ Reform Bill Q&A session is scheduled for 30 March 18:30 – 19:30 and will be run over Zoom Click here

Rebalancing the rights and responsibilities of tenants and landlords. By driving up standards, landlords will know what’s expected of them, and we hope that the new tenancies that are introduced when Section 21 is scrapped are really clear for both landlords and tenants.

The DSS Q&A session is scheduled for 27 April 18:30 – 19:30 and will be run over Zoom Click here

We have done lots of work with mortgage providers to remove ‘no DSS’ clauses and consequently, over 99% of providers now no longer have this clause. We’ve worked directly with the insurance industry, who have assured us that there are a whole range of insurance policies readily available and at a reasonable cost, to cover letting to a tenant who receives benefits.

My Open Letter to Shelter

Dear Shelter,

I’m the biggest Benefit Landlord in Nottingham, u do know about me, yet it’s completely baffling how you’ve still not picked up the phone to talk to see WHY we ain’t taking benefit tenants anymore.

U ain’t helping. We didn’t have these homeless problems pre-2015 before all the landlord attacks.

U supported Selective Licensing, and that’s been the biggest cause of homeless in Nottingham since the Queen took reign.

Landlords love Licensing for the income it brings, it’s given them a Licence to print money in extortionate rents. We have no competition, because of Govt and Councils and yourselves calling for more regulation.

Every Anti Landlord regulation the Govt & Councils & yourselves have called for, has cut supply & made it worse & more expensive for tenants, especially Benefit tenants. I used to love helping Benefit tenants. I no longer can because of all these policies.

Benefit tenants can’t afford these extortionate rents anymore which Landlords command, some because they have to, some because they think Screw u I’m charging more now, & some just because they can cause 50 working people queuing for every property – Benefit tenants don’t get a look in.

Ooh & some, because if u want New Build Standards, you gonna pay New Build rents.

You are too besotted by the minority bad landlords & areas that you are forgetting the massive majority that u don’t hear about that haven’t got a problem.

When this section 21 gets banned, u watch rents spiral upwards yet again. Councils won’t take tenants anymore when more Sections 8’s get issued cause that’s intentionally homeless.

U thought Landlords weren’t taking Benefit tenants cause of mortgage restrictions & insurance? And what’s happening now? Ooh, Landlords are still refusing Benefit tenants. Wake up Shelter, come & ask us why. Landlords are telling u all sorts of excuses, because u will prosecute them if u don’t like the answer.

Gees, u have no idea. I want to be your friend. People like me have been housing your clients for 25 years & you are pushing us away. U make it better for that one tenant that rings u, consequently u then make it worse for the next 1000 tenants with another anti-landlord ruling or reg.

Simple one for u, who does it help when the Judge chucks it out of court because the Landlord has no proof he gave a boiler certificate 6 years ago? And he’s had a new boiler since, so it’s a completely irrelevant certificate for the old boiler.

It helps that ONE tenant. But u know afterwards, when the Landlord has spent another £1000 on court fees & solicitors & he eventually gets his house back, he sells the ruddy thing & the next Landlord don’t take any less than perfect working tenant again & charges the earth.

You should be coming to ask us and saying Mick, what can we do for u that is going to make u not sell all your houses and what can we do to entice more landlords in as we in the crap here, our hostels are full too and not emptying.

We’re sorry we wanted all your 50-year-old houses to have New build standards, we didn’t realise that would result in impossible rents for benefit tenants.

Few extracts below & link herein
from pieces I & other Landlords have written on the issues u need to solve. Long I know. But work with us and rents will reduce.

I am emailing u privately these long bits.

Mick Roberts

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david porter

11:11 AM, 10th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Dunning Kruiger
look it up

paul robinson

14:15 PM, 10th March 2022, About 2 years ago

The NRLA CEO has also gone on public record saying that lack of S21 wont make any difference - totally selling its members down the river.

Clearly they are getting on board the political train – looking to tender for ‘Rent Smart England” we suspect – shame on you!!

Any NRLA members be wary – this is YOUR CEO!!!!???

Any member of the concerned about Section 21 being scrapped. Here is the CEO of NRLA says it’s fine, will be no different 😱

Please jump to 16.03 mins of video to see the NRLA representation of scrapping Section 21.

Full video here from the recent public accounts committee

After that Video, plus things like partnering to places like B&Q, who then in turn donate money to shelter I can’t see how we as members are not being sold down the river and when you call out the NRLA - National Residential Landlords Association on it they just give lip service responses or choose to ignore the difficult questions


8:02 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

I do hope that is not the actual letter sent, it reads like it was written by a 13 year old. But I do agree with the sentiment.

Mick Roberts

8:07 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Smiffy at 11/03/2022 - 08:02
I agree. I ain't posh. I do house hundreds of previously homeless people though, so I'd rather write like a 13 year old & be right with tenants than write a letter like a posh MP & make thousands homeless.
And yes that is the actual letter ha ha. At lease I've wrote some'at. Made me annoyed when Shelter sent me email asking me to join their webinar on banning Section 21 & why Landlords are still refusing Benefit tenants.


9:14 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Go for it Mick!
Its great you're taking the trouble to do this


9:57 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Hi Mick

It's great that you have taken the time to push back on the Shelter agenda and highlight the unintended consequences of some of the regulations, especially the overzealous and arbitrary way which local authorities use and enforce their powers.

iHowz are in agreement on the impact that removing S21 would have on the provision of homes by the PRS.
We acknowledge that it might be viewed as unfair that a long term tenant can be evicted with no reason given and only two months notice required, but these properties are our investment as well as our tenant's homes, and we need to retain this means of recovering our properties when things do not go as planned. Many of the grounds under Section 8 are not fit for purpose and are cumbersome. In addition, the courts are barely functioning, with cases taking months to be heard.

Until the Government makes Section 8 and the courts fit for purpose, why would landlords surrender the one method to recover their property which is relatively certain and simplest to use?

iHowz have responded to several inaccurate articles from various tenant groups and the Labour Party.

We also wrote to all English MPs highlighting why Section 21 should be retained, the unintended consequences its removal would cause and our proposal to recognise tenants who have rented our properties for more than 2 years when serving a Section 21.

You can see our letter and details of our campaign and our proposals here

Mick Roberts

10:26 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Rod at 11/03/2022 - 09:57

I don't agree with a Landlord just wanting his house back, the tenants home, just like that. But let's not forget, it's the Landlord property. He only lent it out, he can do what he likes with it. When u tell a Landlord he can't have his house back in 20 years when he's 75, so he can finally get his money as he's made no money for 20 years, then u set a dangerous precedent & the next Landlord will think What? It's my house & I can't have it back?
And this is why we're where we are. Next Landlord not buying or taking a risk with risky tenant, so risky tenant has to stay put forever.

I know this, as it looks like I can never retire as my tenants just cannot move any more.

Your link says it as it is:

We are worried that, If the Section 21 be abolished:

Many landlords will be unwilling to offer a tenancy unless the applicant has perfect references.
This will lead to further stress in the social housing when vulnerable tenants can no longer be housed in the PRS.
Reduced supply of rental properties will drive up rents and associated housing benefit costs
Social housing faces further stress in when vulnerable tenants can no longer be housed in the PRS.
More landlords will leave the PRS as they will have little control over the behaviour of their tenants, giving even more stress to social housing

Andrew Kent

11:20 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 11/03/2022 - 10:26
As to retiring, I thought that under the proposed regulations that you could gain possession of the property if you are going to sell. Have I been misinformed?


11:58 AM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

'Next Landlord not buying or taking a risk with risky tenant, so risky tenant has to stay put forever.'

And when section 21 is about to be abolished landlords will give notice to risky tenants while they are still able to do it

paul robinson

12:00 PM, 11th March 2022, About 2 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Andrew Kent at 11/03/2022 - 11:20
If you google, read the 2019 public consultation, the FAQ's covered a lot of items like that. Although it might of changed, think that’s the bets reference we have at present. Think it said something like, if wanting to sell within 2 years, you had to have previously given the tenant notice of this prior to them moving in.

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