Labour want German style indefinite tenancies

by Property 118

11:35 AM, 11th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Labour want German style indefinite tenancies

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Labour want German style indefinite tenancies

Labour Shadow housing secretary John Healey has gone one further than the pledge in their manifesto of 2017 of committing to make all PRS tenancies a minimum of a three year term. He would like to see ‘German style’ tenancies of indefinite length introduced as a matter of default upon the PRS to increase renter security.

In Germany the average tenancy last an approximate average of 11 years compared to four years in the UK.

John Healey said: “People shouldn’t be living in fear of losing their homes. The insecurity of renting is a power imbalance at the heart of our broken housing market, where tenants are afraid to report problems in case they are evicted, and families with children are forced to move at short notice.

“Many landlords provide decent homes that tenants are happy with, but the government is allowing rogue landlords to take advantage of good tenants. Renters deserve better.”

Greg Beales, Campaign Director at Shelter, responded positively to the plan saying: “Private rents are already expensive, so when you add short term contracts into the mix, the situation for renters is pretty tough.

“Given that one in four families now privately rent their home, an alarming number of people are at the mercy of no-fault evictions. Right now a family can be turfed out for no reason at any time, and saddled with not only the cost of moving but the huge burden of uprooting their lives.

“It doesn’t have to be this way. We look forward to seeing what the government brings to the table on longer tenancies, and hope they will give renters the security and stability they deserve. Our own research shows three quarters of England’s private renters think they’d benefit from a longer tenancy. So the message is loud and clear: longer tenancies should be written into law.”

However, without any security for landlords, or an ability to find finance on tenancies longer than 3 years, it is not clear how many of these new indefinite tenancies Mr Healey or Shelter expect to be available to renters.


Whiteskifreak Surrey

20:53 PM, 11th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Students do not want indefinite tenancy. In our area they move often as the Uni offers 1 year in the industry courses. They will not even sign for longer than a year. But those who want / can stay - th y just form another group, which means new AST, paperwork etc every year. I wonder if that simplicity will even occur to those MENSA quality brains from Commies, Generation Rent and Greens...

Darren Peters

21:20 PM, 11th March 2019
About 2 months ago

There's a real possibility that large property holding funds/companies will be nationalized in Berlin

Which is ironic since it was the leftie Berlin govt that sold off their massive property portfolio a few years ago.

I think the thing that kicked off the rent increases in Berlin was that the long term tenants started airbnb-ing their properties unbeknown to the landlords. Then a light bulb went on and they became a 'long term tenant in 5 or 6 flats. Think how a Rent to Rent model would work if the landlord couldn't get their flat back?! Then landlords wised up and realised they could get true market value without the long term tenants. Why take a long-term tenant that is difficult to remove and not even living in the property when you can DIY?

Support industries sprang up to organise keyholding via all night bars, cleaning, check-in and outs.

Housing associations kicked up a stink over quiet blocks gaining a party flat with strangers coming and going noisily at all hours. More powerfully the hotel lobby pressurised the govt. So Air BnB for holiday/short term lets was banned in Berlin with the risk of a 100,000€ fine.

At the time of writing there are still hundreds of Berlin Air BnBs available. Snitching on neighbours is culturally frowned upon there or perhaps it's the long term tenants subletting under false IDs with little to lose

But rents ratcheted up and stayed up. Since most of the electorate are renters, the politicians have to be seen to be doing something. Hence rent controls.

Leaving politics aside, Berlin still has a cheaper cost of living than Hamburg & Munich though it has been catching up. Capital cities tend to be a bit more expensive than other cities so it's maybe got a way to go.

Chris Daniel

21:29 PM, 11th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Appalled Landlord at 11/03/2019 - 12:14
What is his purpose ? - with EHS showing average Tenancy length is over 4 years,
and lots of Tenants wanting flexibility.
This one sided non-sense should be open to legal challenge ?
( Don't know about his real name being Healy - looks a lot like Putin ! )

Larry Sweeney

23:58 PM, 11th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Reply to whiteskifreak surrey. You are absolutely correct. In Germany, one rents 4 walls, no kitchen ,no light fittings. House rules are very strict. The ASB that is tolerated here, forget it. Benefit tenants down the road so quickly ,for the crap landlords must endure here from Shelter et al.
The Alliance is not like the other lackey organisations. We would rather have less members than give bad advise and sell products. For that reason our advise is as follows. Landlords firstly consider your position very very carefully before you rent to benefit tenants. Extreme caution and secondly if you can exit the market ,do so. Invest abroad and let the government, councils, Corbyn et al deal with the massive crisis which will follow.
If you wont exit the market for what ever reason, then as a matter of urgency ,Join the Alliance


1:06 AM, 12th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Darren Peters at 11/03/2019 - 19:27Oh come on Darren, do you not know I will be branded a rouge landlord, a bastard landlord trying to evict a tenant with two children, it will uproot his family ties to the area, I will be a very harsh landlord, not willing to compromise or being very unreasonable and inconsiderate, today when the tenant phoned me up, when I asked him to get rid of that double bed in the box room, he said why do he need to get rid of it, he paid lots of money for it, then I reminded him that in his agreement it clearly stated that box room is only for a child, as otherwise it goes against housing health and safety rules, and I know what my chances are of evicting him when he has two young babies, nil, courts will be on his side, I will lose my court fees, my solicitors charges which aren't cheap either, and possibly pay for his lawyer too, and then the tenant could manipulate me even more.

Darren Peters

9:06 AM, 12th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Mike at 12/03/2019 - 01:06
Oh Mike, it’s sweet, you actually think you aren’t already branded a rouge landlord :):):). ‘Landlord’ and ‘parasitic bourgeoise’ are synonymous these days. The fact that you are caring and keeping a roof over people’s heads counts for nothing, in fact counts against you. If you want to be a good landlord you shouldn’t actually house anybody, instead you should pontificate at every opportunity about how bad other landlords are, advise tenants to break the law to stay in properties longer, become a charity to be more profitable, pay yourself over 100k per year while having unpaid volunteers raise money for your non existent tenants and even get money from councils for ‘advice’. That’s how to be a good landlord, as soon as you put a roof over someone’s head you just ruin everything :):):)

Darlington Landlord

18:15 PM, 17th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Apparently Berliners have been seeing high rent rises and are pushing local government for drastic measures including banning large corperate landlords, rent freezes and public ownership

Chris Daniel

21:04 PM, 17th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Mike at 12/03/2019 - 01:06
Don't use a Solicitor - use a Possession company at 1/3 to a quarter of the price. !

Luke P

22:40 PM, 17th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Chris Daniel at 17/03/2019 - 21:04
And likely with an awful lot more experience in this particular field. I often take on work that a general solicitor has ‘had a go’ at and made a complete mess of it.


1:45 AM, 19th March 2019
About 2 months ago

Chris, many thanks, something I would be highly interested in, but not sure who to use, any particular one you can recommend please. I am considering serving my tenant a S21 notice as well now, whilst I have a possession hearing using S8 that has already been adjourned once due to flaws in my particulars of claim, it is now set for 28th March, which I am dreading will fail again as the tenant's free duty solicitor paid for by legal aid, may find more flaws and case may even get thrown out, therefore I am now considering also serving the tenant a S21 notice, and much rather have it done through a possessions company who are not only experienced in this field but also possess full knowledge of the housing law, and filling in forms correctly.
For S21 notice (predating the October 2015 AST) now running as periodic tenancy, I have got my gas boiler and gas installation safety certificate renewed, last week, and it is still within 28 days that I can serve a copy of it to the tenant along with an EPC report, property licence, Electrical safety inspection report,
how to rent guide latest edition, no need for deposit protection as no deposit was taken, and anything else I need to serve him with will be now done using a recorded delivery method and proof of posting retained, as well as hand copies of these in person, and then serve him a S21 by a possessions company.
It would be nice to know who is good out there, if it is allowed on these forums to name such a company.
many thanks

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