Grounds to serve notice?

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12:12 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Grounds to serve notice?

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Grounds to serve notice?

I have a tenant who is currently in a periodic tenancy, he and his family are neglecting the property. Grounds to serve notice

He informed us of a small drip coming through the ceiling he thought was from the shower over the bath, so I asked he not to use the shower until it was repaired.

When I arrived a couple of days later I discovered a two foot portion of the ceiling artex hanging down, and the shower had just been used. He claimed it was his 16 year old son who he had no control over!

I also found pen writing on the bottom of one door and on one of the room walls. There was further damage under the kitchen sink due to a leak that had been unreported.

The tenant doesn’t accept any responsibility and I would like him and his family out.

Do I just give him a letter asking him to leave within 1 month, should I serve a Section 21 or a Section 8?




Mark Alexander

12:15 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Hi Fred

You don't need any grounds whatsoever to serve a section 21 notice.

From what you have said, I think you will struggle to justify grounds for a section 8 notice to a judge and be granted possession on that basis.

Unless you are a live in landlord and these people are your lodgers then a weeks notice is completely out of the question.

My advice is call in help from an expert - see >>>

Eviction Group

12:48 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

I agree with Mark. A weeks notice to leave is not an option even if they were lodgers. In that scenario 28 days is accepted as being "Reasonable" notice. Cannot see that Sect 8 would fly at all, but Sect 21 is a viable option.

Paul Franklin

14:26 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Did you take a deposit Fred? If so did you protected in a tenancy deposit scheme when the tenancy became periodic? If not you may not be able to serve a S.21 notice.

If the tenants have exclusive occupation of the property and have an AST you can't just write a letter, you must serve correct notice. Templates of S.21 notices can be obtained free from many sources online and require 2 months clear notice. Though if you haven't protected the deposit, serving a S.21 may be a waste of time. You may have to return the deposit to them before you serve it to avoid any complications further down the line.

If these are the type of tenants that might not leave without a fight, you will probably end up having to get a possession order and bailiff warrant, therefore getting it right from the outset will be important.

All BankersAreBarstewards Smith

14:35 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Fred you sound like a new landlord...... more S.21's get thrown out of court by judges than soft Nellie had cups of tea in 6 months........ Your cheapest way to get them out is - join a landlords organisation it will be the best £100ish you will spend.... they will talk you through how to complete the paperwork.

or Landlord Action is a company specialising in eviction but £1k is possibly what you may end up paying......

good luck

Steve From Leicester

16:56 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Section 21.

Provided its correctly served Section 21 is mandatory grounds for possession. (Unless you've taken and not protected a deposit in which case you've got bigger things to worry about). You don't have to give a reason for wanting possession under Section 21.

Under Section 8 if the tenant doesn't go willingly you have to convince a judge that a breach has occurred AND that the breach is so serious it warrants someone losing their home. That sets the bar very high indeed.

As your knowledge is, with respect limited you need some professional advice and the suggestions above are all good.

Jay James

19:20 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Eviction Group" at "24/10/2014 - 12:48":

Hi Eviction Group and all others

Twice over the last few days on Property118, I have seen mention of one month / 30 days / 28 days as a reasonable period for a resident landlord to give notice to a lodger.
Can anyone give a reference on this?
Case law I imagine.
Are any variations on the period given where violence or theft are involved?

Mark Alexander

19:58 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Jay James" at "24/10/2014 - 19:20":

The definition of "reasonable" is left to the discretion of a Judge.

I saw a post on here by a tenant who was given 10 minutes by her resident landlord to leave and a Council Tenancy Relations officer told her that under the circumstances that a judge would have considered that reasonable!!! I can't recall what the tenant had done but it obviously wasn't a good deed LOL

Eviction Group

20:20 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Much the same as in Criminal Law ie "Reasonable Force" the determination as to what is reasonable is made by the Court having given consideration to all of the circumstances. I am not aware of case law establishing a precedent regarding reasonable notice but am happy to stand corrected. The 28 days notice is an accepted custom and practice that seems to have been adopted.

Jay James

20:46 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Mark Alexander" at "24/10/2014 - 19:58":

For council staff to say ten minutes is reasonable, the lady must have done something quite extreme in the circumstances! (Given they are fond of advising to stay put until court ordered physical eviction.)

Jay James

20:53 PM, 24th October 2014
About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Eviction Group" at "24/10/2014 - 20:20":

"The 28 days notice is an accepted custom and practice that seems to have been adopted." I did wonder if this was the situation. Alas it is the least objective determination of reasonable compared to case law and statute.

I imagine 28 days are reasonable where there is no apparent reason for eviction. What do readers think?

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