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by Mick Roberts
9:19 AM, 14th March 2022, About 2 years ago 60
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Can we trust the Govt & Councils to then not penalise us in 2 3 4 5 years? This needs to be discussed, as I seriously would love to house some of these people.
I’ve even been thinking at night, if I only help one family, I could pay for a driver to drive them round as we have a Ukrainian centre here in Nottingham, to get them into the right people for help. This £300pw or so for a driver wouldn’t hurt me, but would really help them.
I could pay for driving lessons for them to get them on their feet. I could buy their food & clothes to start with till their income starts coming in-Gees they gonna’ need some help with Universal Credit. I could advertise on Social Media for jobs for them in their skillset, so some qualified accountant don’t have to take some job picking strawberries etc.
Here are my notes on it:
I’m the biggest Benefit Landlord in Nottingham & have taken hundreds of homeless off the Council over the years. However, the SAME Council (not the same department) has now shafted us with Selective Licensing.
I promise u now if u can get insider information (which I have), the Council homeless section when ringing Landlords begging for houses, will tell u for 99 calls out of 100, all Landlords reply is No I’m not taking your tenants or helping u cause of Selective Licensing.
So the Council are stuffed & I feel for the tenants, as there are some very good tenants out there that are now homeless cause of Govt & Council interference & Retrospective Regs.
It’s the same Council that rings us up to house the Ukrainian families. It’s the same Govt that brings another change in after we’ve housed the Ukrainian families.
We just don’t know what retrospective change the Govt will do on us next, which is why the Govt ain’t shouting & disgustingly got the low numbers of Ukrainian families coming in we know about. They know the Councils have nowhere to put them.
We are the bottom end people that actually do the housing, not the Govt, not the Councils-Cause they han’t got ote.
This sounds strong, but it needs to be put out in the open.
Can the Council & Govt guarantee us that for the next 20 years (I’ve had many same tenants 25 years) that they won’t bring another change in that will hurt that tenant even more? They can’t. They can’t leave things alone that work. They’re constantly thinking of another Anti Landlord measure, cause this Landlord 10 miles away didn’t fix his tenant’s door so we all suffer.
We all know what happened when the Govt really tightened up Right to Rent (cause immigration too high-Ooh that will be the Landlords fault then) that put all the onus & blame on the Landlord (was it £2000 fine) if he made a mistake when accepting a non-UK person. Consequently, lots of Landlords stopped taking non-UK people as we ain’t qualified ID checking people. The authorities noticed that legal immigrants were not being able to get houses, so did they relax the rules later?
Another retrospective change was the Benefit Cap. No matter what u think of it, I took many families with 7 8 10 kids that were safe in their homes, already lived there 5 years & then the Govt said We’re not paying your rent any more, the public voters don’t like u getting all these Benefits for 10 kids. Too late now, Cameron, they’ve already moved in. Shocking the evictions that caused throughout the UK. In 2017 the Benefits now say If u have more than 2 kids, we ain’t paying, so be forewarned. However, the Benefit cap was AFTER the horse had bolted.
My colleagues and I are the people that could house them, but @LindaWoodings Selective Licensing has scuppered that plan. We have no houses for them. Benefit tenants can’t move anymore, therefore not freeing any houses up.
I’d love to take these people.
However, I’ve taken many homeless from the Council (mainly Nottingham Council). They’ve said this person not great with money, Mick. This person doesn’t maintain the garden, Mick. But don’t worry, we will make sure we support them & make sure everything goes ok.
Then a few years later, the Council withdraw the support, treat us like crap & then impose conditions that we’d struggle to comply with because it’s a condition against the certain type of tenant that the Council gave u in the first place.
I’ve spent money on the house for the actual tenant who is wrecking the house cause the Council Support worker is there & saying I am here now Mick, I am not leaving your two’s side. 2 months later, no more Council Support worker. House gets wrecked again. Council introduces Licensing, say I’m now responsible cause that tenant hasn’t cut the grass. The same tenant they gave us 3 years ago WHO THEY KNEW wun’t cut the grass.
It’s a shame we can’t help any more cause the Council have no joined-up thinking & too many turnovers of staff to another dept. New staff has no passion or morals or understanding of how renting houses works.
This text is what I’m sending my tenants ready for Selective Licensing renewal:
Most of u r very good. But are u perfect? Read Licensing conditions and tell yourself first could u comply with all them, second, would u take any tenant on that wasn’t the most prim proper person ever?
Third, if u was a landlord getting older, would u want to be dealing with that for EVERY house EVERY tenant? And giving out 200 pages to each tenant each house.
4th, would u take a Benefit tenant on after being told u had to comply with them conditions?
Selective Licensing conditions Feb 2022
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sD_HRl57ANNw4PBAb-FGRU7h-0Qby9Vm5xLioH_nA7c/edit?usp=sharing
Thank u Mr Govt & Nottingham Council & Shelter & Universal Credit & Nottingham Council Selective Licensing, u may make our life awful for a short period, but the person u really hurt is the tenant, & then the Landlord ends up being much better off financially which is an unintended part of your consequences.
U hurt the Landlord, u end up hurting the Ukrainian people. U hurt the Landlords, u end up hurting the tenant.
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TheMaluka
6:33 AM, 15th March 2022, About 2 years ago
I particularly like 10k per person to the local council and £350 per family to the host.
Mick Roberts
7:20 AM, 15th March 2022, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by David Price at 15/03/2022 - 06:33
Ha ha yes good point.
It apparently costs the Council £10k for each homeless person. One would think they'd come and ask us the Middle man Could we improve this?
To which we'd say Yes, get UC to talk to us & we can save 50% of homeless in one swoop. £ Billions saved in 10 seconds.
Luke P
10:55 AM, 15th March 2022, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by David Price at 15/03/2022 - 06:33
It’ll be blown in ‘admin’ and taxis to ferry the kids to local schools and the like.
Reluctant Landlord
11:44 AM, 15th March 2022, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by David Price at 15/03/2022 - 06:33
10k to help with schooling, access to other services (mental health/social services/english lessons/ etc)
What good is that - there is no one to actually provide these services NOW in the broken system that is currently in place.
Chucking money (or seeming to be providing money to 'assist') at it means nothing...its only going to motivate local councils to pressure local people/LL's to take refugees in, so that its more £'s into the council coffers without them actually having to secure the support these people will need. Look what the situation is with the Afghans. They are all still in London hotels at a horrific daily cost.
Its going to be the same for the Ukranians once it actually dawns on what they are expecting private individuals to do when it comes the the reality of having refugees in your own home.
Big PR campaign - little actual change.
Des Taylor Landlords Defence Ltd
13:01 PM, 18th March 2022, About 2 years ago
The moment the government suggested it, entrapment came to mind.
Stay away from the Council.
They are not your friend.
They are an uncontrolled and unaccountable ruthless enforcing body.
Look how they deny tenants their rights?
Look at all the cases month after month of their heartless and terrible decisions about human beings.
Here is what we had to say on it and we have defended so many landlords against the ruthless councils who want fines and rent repayment for helping the homeless in the pandemic:
https://www.property118.com/will-helping-mean-prosecution-by-councils/
Des Taylor Landlords Defence Ltd
13:03 PM, 18th March 2022, About 2 years ago
The moment the government suggested it, consequential entrapment came to mind.
Stay away from the Council.
They are not your friend.
They are an uncontrolled and unaccountable ruthless enforcing body.
Look how they deny tenants their rights?
Look at all the cases month after month of their heartless and terrible decisions about human beings.
Here is what we had to say on it and we have defended so many landlords against the ruthless councils who want fines and rent repayment for helping the homeless in the pandemic:
https://www.property118.com/will-helping-mean-prosecution-by-councils/
Thomas Whitfield
11:08 AM, 19th March 2022, About 2 years ago
Shelter has been very quiet on this!
Mick Roberts
11:45 AM, 19th March 2022, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Des Taylor Landlords Defence Ltd at 18/03/2022 - 13:01
But we will be their friend though Des if they just work with us. Same with UC. I've had this in the last 2 days from UC onto a tenants journal towards me.
UC are taking the Direct arrears deductions from my, but Third Party team aren't paying Landlord. Yet UC ignore this, but focus on Landlord shun't be helping tenant.
XXXX manager in UC Nottingham Service Centre has said this:
I have told before about putting messages in peoples journals, this is called hijacking and is against the law for you to do this unless you are their appointee or have Power of Attorney over their affairs.
A journalist has asked my Landlord to ask me to ask u UC to ask this question please:
My reading of the above message would seem to suggest that the DWP have an objection against landlords giving assistance to their tenants. Why???
There should be nothing to stop a landlord assisting their tenant, to prompt questions or answer “To-dos” on their journal, especially if they have difficulty communicating or don’t know how challenge a perceived poor decision, by asking for a Mandatory Reconsideration or lodge an appeal.
Mick Roberts
11:49 AM, 19th March 2022, About 2 years ago
Reply to the comment left by Thomas Whitfield at 19/03/2022 - 11:08
Yes Shelter always quiet. I genuinely have nothing against them like some Landlords & think we could do wonders together if they'd just communicate. But they send the odd email referring me to something good they've done & that's it.
With their pressure, they could get UC talking to us & instantly solve at least 50% of homeless with £ billions saved to the Taxpayer too.
Their motto seems to be
How can we keep this tenant in that house as long as possible with as much pain as possible to the Landlord.
Instead of
How can we work with & ask Landlord what the problem is so tenant can stay there & everyone happy, or get this tenant new accommodation quickly, so this Landlord can then think Ooh that was good, I'll deal with Shelter again & take one of their emergency tenants next time.
philip allen
15:53 PM, 19th March 2022, About 2 years ago
How many of us have watched in horror as these people (yes real people, real human beings, just like you and me) have been made to queue for hours in other countries in order to 'possibly' get a visa for the UK? Then we scream at the government to just get them here and sort the paperwork after they arrive safely. Now just read through your comments. How different are you to the government? You want all the assurances and paperwork to be in place before you would even consider taking in someone who is currently experiencing hell on earth. While you sit at your keyboard pontificating about what might or might not happen in the future how many more children have died or been orphaned? What happened to British support of the underdog, or of kindness and caring? Who can know what government we will be living under in 3 years time? It might be our old mate Vlad who sends his buddies round to your place because you housed a Ukranian refugee and have them drag you outside and bury you in your own backyard. Or we might all get wiped out by a meteor before that happens. I have read Property 118 for years and seldom comment because I am impressed by the intelligence and common sense displayed by most of the commentators on this forum but, now, just listen to yourselves. Stop the wailing and hand wringing and either get out of the way or as Nike will tell you, 'Just do it!' You never know the media might then have something good to say about the PRS.