Using a Ltd Co for Buying New Property and managing existing ones

Using a Ltd Co for Buying New Property and managing existing ones

11:06 AM, 30th September 2015, About 9 years ago 33

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I have large Portfolio of property in the NE and I am looking at a number of avenues to avoid this tax regime from the summer budget.problem

I have no income other than from property, have a very good cashflow and pay high rate tax now,

Yes I could move half of my BTLs to a LTD Co with little CGT or Stamp Duty to pay as half of my BTLs have been purchased since 2008 and there has been little Capital growth since then in the NE.

Even if this new evil tax had not come around the corner I would have thought of using a LTD co for future purchases. This would give me the option to bring my family into the Ltd Co via Shares Wife ,Son and Grandchildren.

Now I need to inflate my expenses on Management and Repairs to reduce the Taxable cash in my BTL business. My plan is to use my Co to do all the repairs for my BTLs
so lets say I have a repair cost on BTL of £100.00 my Ltd Co would do the repair with the help of a tradesman charge of say 25%. My BTL would then have an invoice for £125.00

The effect would be a larger Repair Bill for my BTL and My Ltd Co would have a profit of £25.00.

As I am 57 pensions would be a good choice for My LTD Co to fund my pension etc which is tax efficient.

Is this sort of arrangement legal and do others see any problems with the arrangement

Regards

DL


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John Frith

17:05 PM, 30th September 2015, About 9 years ago

I don't understand. If the limited company owns a property, who will it invoice at cost + fee to do a repair? Itself?

17:20 PM, 30th September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "John Frith" at "30/09/2015 - 17:05":

Hi John
The repair would be done on my excisting BTL property in my own name
Done Via my New Ltd co who would be acting at the manager of the BTL property
Hope that helps DL

AnthonyJames

23:50 PM, 30th September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Dislexic Landlord" at "30/09/2015 - 17:20":

I think this will work fine: you could presumably also have your limited company bill your personal rental business, say 10% of rent for managing the half of your portfolio that is kept personal and not inside the company. The company would still need to pay 20% corporation tax on its profits (less expenses), but at least you personally will not be paying as much tax at 40% on your excessive rental income above the higher-rate threshold.

To extract money from the company, make sure you employ family in various roles, especially if they have low incomes generally, to use up their tax-free allowances and the Employer's NIC Employment Allowance (increased to £3000 p.a. at the last Budget). Also have multiple family shareholders, each entitled to receive up to £5000 p.a. tax-free in dividends.

Another good way to extract money from a company - possible the best one now remaining - is some hefty pension contributions by the company to a personal SIPP. See the latest edition of Pensions Magic, published by Tax Café: the writer Nick Braun is a huge fan of company pensions contributions and salary sacrifice schemes as an alternative to heavily-taxed/NIC'd salaries (and increasing taxes on dividends too)..

I have some concerns, however, that HMRC might object to your limited company only managing investment property, not actively trading with other parties besides its own assets. I remember reading in Carl Bayley's Using a Property Company to Save Tax (Tax Café) that such property investment companies receive significantly less favourable tax treatment than property development companies and other property-related trading companies. Bayley recommends that you don't just manage your own property, but have some other form of demonstrable trading, such as managing other people's property, or buying properties, renovating them and selling on.

6:53 AM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Tony Atkins" at "30/09/2015 - 23:50":

Thank you Tony the more I look at the Ltd Co I like it
Your advice on family members is a very good
I have never been great lover of pensions
But I think with the change of pension rules its a gift horse and also having a new income in retirement would not be bad thing
Passing on the Business has always been important to me and again the LTD Co is good for that too
I feel it ticks the boxes for me and it would be a good move forward
I also think buying with lower Corporation Tax of 18% in the future has to be a plus pay 40% now on my old BTL so again it works thank you again I am glad my thoughts are on the right track

15:28 PM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Tony Atkins" at "30/09/2015 - 23:50":

Hi Tony
I have just purchased the book you recommend and its very very good info
The more I look at transferring some property's and the purchasing new property within a company the better it gets
I know this route will no work for a number of Landlords but it looks ok for my plans
thank you again regards DL

MoodyMolls

20:30 PM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Tony Atkins" at "30/09/2015 - 23:50":

HI

I have had a company which does all my maintenance and repairs since 2004

20:42 PM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "KATHY MILLER" at "01/10/2015 - 20:30":

Has it worked for you any pit falls ???

MoodyMolls

21:06 PM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

It is fine
BUT if I decide to move some of my property to a ltd company I will set up a new company. I dont have property held in this company it is solely for all repairs and maintenance, refurbishment and new build.

And because it does the new builds then bills me I reclaim vat

21:35 PM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "KATHY MILLER" at "01/10/2015 - 21:06":

Smart move
the more I read about Ltd Co the more I see benefits of passing on the business to my son and grandchildren and future generations
I see it as tax planning for I can fund my pension too
I have ever really thought about my exit from business but I a now 57 and its now time to think of the future and retirement although I will always be a Landlord until my tenancy ends on this earth
I always look for a silver lining in a big black cloud and I have found it
This is a very evil thing what is happening to Landlords and I do really hate this govt and I think all govts I will never vote gain after this experience
I have learned you have to look after yourself and yes be selfish bcause when it comes down to it we take the risks and we stand and fall by our own efforts
thank you for all the feed back regards Elaine

Dr Monty Drawbridge

22:32 PM, 1st October 2015, About 9 years ago

Would the reduced SDLT for multiple dwellings not apply?

https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-land-tax-relief-for-land-or-property-transactions

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