Refuse nightmare, rats!

Refuse nightmare, rats!

16:19 PM, 20th May 2014, About 7 years ago 15

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I am at my wits end with a refuse nightmare and rats! Refuse nightmare, rats!

I’ve been doing up a building containing 3 flats for about a year. When we started the project there was a large amount of refuse in the back yard of the property and in the alleyway adjacent to it. I phoned the environment department at Blackpool Council and got the predictable “if it’s on your land it is your problem” assistance! I arranged for the removal of my rubbish and told the Council to deal with the refuse in the alleyway (binbags with household waste, mattresses, rats) as it was a public health hazard.

My builder phoned me yesterday and told me that a tenant from some other flats bordering this alleyway was throwing bags of refuse over my wall. Now I know where the original mess came from!

I don’t know who to approach first: The Council – who I consider haven’t removed refuse from an area under their responsibility despite me having alerted them to the problem, the tenants of the other property – this may lead to an ugly confrontation, the landlord of the other property – but how do I find his details?

Any suggestions gratefully received.


Chris Lees


by Joe Bloggs

23:46 PM, 21st May 2014, About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Robert Mellors" at "21/05/2014 - 23:42":

Assuming the lease doesnt permit fly tipping, then an LVT (RPTS)

by Linda Price

5:21 AM, 22nd May 2014, About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Robert Mellors" at "21/05/2014 - 23:42":

Hi Robert,

I like Kev's idea of getting the work done and billing him for it. Just give him say 7 days notice of your intentions and then get it all out of the way. I'm sure that will make your tenants happy and your property will look better, plus you won't have to worry about it any more.

If he refuses to pay, would do you then have a reason to reduce your ground rent payments to him until the debt was cleared ?

by Romain Garcin

6:30 AM, 22nd May 2014, About 7 years ago

Note that dumping stuff on someone else's land is also trespass.
I think this includes the case of a freeholder dumping stuff on land leased because he no longer has possession of that land.

by Kulasmiley

7:54 AM, 22nd May 2014, About 7 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Robert Mellors" at "21/05/2014 - 23:42":

Hi Robert, first of all, you are the legal leaseholder of the land and enjoy it's benefit. He has trespassed on your land. 1. Send him 2 estimated invoices (get them from removal companies). Give him 7 days to reply. 2. He will do nothing, then send him a solicitor letter stating if he does not remove it himself then you will take him to County Court for the cost, your time, solicitors costs. 3. How long do you have on your leases?
4. If you engage in a chat with him, (have a witness close by who records) the conversation) or record it your self. 5. He is an idiot, so treat him with no respect except how much it is going to cost HIM..

by Kulasmiley

7:57 AM, 22nd May 2014, About 7 years ago

Robert, also please check your leasehold agreement, every single line. As a freeholder he cannot have gain except to what is in that agreement. It is a legal nightmare for him, where you could sue him for your STOP OF WORK AND GAIN due to his actions. I have been in this situation in court and have won due to my due diligence on the paperwork. Never give up my friend, you are not alone (Michael Jackson singing in the wind here...)

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