Was Nottingham CC Selective Licensing consultation really in favour?

Was Nottingham CC Selective Licensing consultation really in favour?

15:40 PM, 23rd August 2018, About 4 years ago 17

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Dear Landlords, Someone has sent this the enclosed pdf through, link also below. With more legal knowledge than me you may pick up on something.  The attached document has some ‘data’ he collected for selective licensing. Looks very damning reading against the council:

Were the Nottingham City Council Selective Licensing consultation results really in favour of the scheme?
Did the presentation of the consultation feedback data enhance the case for a Selective Licensing Scheme?
When Nottingham City Council at last released data from its consultation exercise into their £20m
Selective Licensing initiative which ran to the end of March 2017, the data demonstrated a broad
rejection of the scheme which was obviously a blow to the Council’s efforts to build support for
Selective Licensing. The data is apparently no longer available but highlights can still be found on
the Executive Board minutes. All in all the Council’s own survey resulted in just 1460 responses, a
large proportion of which were against the scheme along with other aspects such as the then stated
cost, the coverage and the enforcement regime. The subsequent response by the Council has
resulted in much of the consultation feedback being either ignored or the figures being cherrypicked
as shown.

Selective hearing?

The Council claimed to have received 1460 responses to it’s consultation survey, 81 submissions from organisations and individuals, a petition totaling 71 against the survey and 208 electronic copies of a letter against the survey.

If a submission has equal weighting with a survey response that’s 1,820 responses (See Figure 1). 68% (993) of the consultation survey respondents were against the scheme which meant that when added to the the other response sources just under 22% of all official consultation responses were in favour of the scheme. To counter this the Council have elected to focus on the survey to the exclusion of the other submissions (unless they were positive) and cherry-picked parts of that survey where tenants were narrowly in favour of the scheme.

It shows to the layman, that the consultation was against the scheme. It appears this survey has been hidden.

Click Here to view the consultation summary.


by Sam Addison

17:59 PM, 23rd August 2018, About 4 years ago

Apparently landlords and letting agents views can be ignored because they are landlords! Several times it is said that landlords have provided no evidence to support views which state the obvious!

by Larry Sweeney

8:55 AM, 24th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Mick, all of these so called consultations are a con. The Ha 2004 mandates a consultation, so the corrupt councils play the game and pretend to have a consultation. They splurge vast amounts of tax payers cash with a consultation company which produces a garbage report to back their client, ie the corrupt Council. Liverpool lied by stating that the entire city was an area of low demand ,despite reims of evidence to the contrary. Sefton did not even show when landlords turned up at their so called consultation. Sefton council failed to show for 2 reasons. Firstly they knew they would face hostile and probing questions and secondly but more importantly, they did not need to go. The consultation was a sham. It was already a done deal. Landlords everywhere need to see these authorities for what they are. Absolutely useless. Behave accordingly . Sue them for data breaches where appropiate. Stop or minimise letting to benefit tenants. Query inspections. Hold them to account every hour of every day. Question their licence procedures, conditions and where possible get tenants emailing them complaining about council intrusion with their silly inspection regime.

by J C

11:08 AM, 24th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Hi Mick,

Interesting post.

In Nottingham selective licencing now, do landlords get accredited and hold the licence themselves, or is there an option that Estate Agent has the accreditation and hold the licence for the landlords?

by Mick Roberts

14:10 PM, 24th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Larry, it does appear a con, doesn't it.
Most of my tenants don't want Licensing in 'cause of what they've done with the intrusions & rent increases.
A few of my tenants are saying 'I've had enough Mick, I came to u cause u left your tenants alone, it was their home to do what they like with it, & now you're here every week'.
JC, that's the question which I don't fully understand. Someone may pop up & answer.
Landlords do get accredited & hold the License theirselves. I think now there is the option to have the Letting Agent as the joint holder, which I believe someone had to fight to get that bought in.
I don't believe the Estate Agent can hold the License only for the Landlord, but I may be wrong.
I do know, some overseas Landlords are having to sell 'cause you can't have License if you live overseas.

One case last week, She was American Landlady for 7 years, happy Nottingham Bulwell tenant for 7 years, American Landlady now got to sell 'cause she can't get License-Licensing answer was Get UK family member to get License for you. American Landlady has no UK family. So happy Nottingham tenant of 7 years is now unhappy being given notice tenant.
You couldn't make this up, could u. All to get at the bad 21% of landlords, meanwhile 79% of good tenants & landlords suffer.

by J C

14:30 PM, 24th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Couldn't agree more with you Mick.
I called about 5 letting agents in Nottingham over the last few day and all of them telling me the sudden increase in eviction they had to do over the last few months is ridiculous.

I am still looking for a good estate agent in Nottingham, any recommendations?

by Mick Roberts

14:57 PM, 24th August 2018, About 4 years ago

JC, Estate agent for what, selling or buying?
Or Letting Agent for renting & where is the house?

I'm using Holden Copley Letting Agents & Estate Agents 0115 8969800 ask for Luke, mention me & he will tell u to F-off ha ha.
My mate Matt owns it, they impeccable on sales & Letting, cover all the bases, rules, regs, technology etc.

by David Lovegrove

21:31 PM, 24th August 2018, About 4 years ago

These statistics were available some 18 months ago now.
Unfortunately it is the same throughout the country that landlords views are not treated equally to other respondents and landlords continue to respond to such consultations without ensuring their tenants do the same. When the consultation is analysed it is only the number of residents who favour the scheme as opposed to those that don't matter in the eyes of local authorities. Anyone living in other parts of the country going through the same process please note !

by Michael Barnes

0:11 AM, 29th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Mick Roberts at 24/08/2018 - 14:10
All to get at the bad 21% of landlords, meanwhile 79% of good tenants & landlords suffer.

If it is really 1 in 5 landlords are bad, then that is a hell of a lot and I can see why licencing might be appropriate.

by Monty Bodkin

4:11 AM, 29th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Michael Barnes at 29/08/2018 - 00:11
The statistic was cherry picked from a national survey, taken out of context and used to justify 'selective' landlord licensing of an entire city.

Using the same logic, it would be appropriate to selectively landlord licence Bourton-on-the-water too!

Misinformation to fool the gullible.

by Mick Roberts

7:30 AM, 29th August 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Michael Barnes at 29/08/2018 - 00:11Michael,
But what they don't tell u in this 21% of houses that have failed is:
A fail Category one hazard could be a loose carpet tack on the stairs. Which yes is bad, but this is could be the tenants carpet. but 'cause the Landlord is responsible for stairs covering & kitchen floor covering (bathrooms too I think), then that carpet tack on stairs goes down to the Landlords fault. Even though tenant may have had 2 carpets on there in the meantime. Altering of facts.

Note to do with Landlord, but he gets the blame-looks good on figures.

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