Mockery of hunting landlords

by Mick Roberts

14:18 PM, 22nd July 2019
About a month ago

Mockery of hunting landlords

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Mockery of hunting landlords

This Makes an absolute mockery of their hunting for landlords to place on their ‘rogue’ database that they now plan to give the public access to.

There have only been 10 Landlords put on so far!

When will they learn, the majority of problems are caused by tenants. So called ‘rogue landlords are only a very tiny minority of the overwhelming number of good landlords and every member of Property118 trying to do their best.

How can they not learn from this.

I’ll be on it soon with my abuse of www.selectivelicensingtruth.co.uk

Create database of tenants and landlords could take more tenants in safety knowing they have a good record building up and avoiding the time consuming money costing bad ‘uns.



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Ian Narbeth

16:59 PM, 22nd July 2019
About a month ago

So, let's consider the scenario. Some hapless landlord in 2015 protected the deposit but forgot to sign his Prescribed Information form. The tenant defaulted on rent and the landlord served a section 21 notice. At court, five months later, the landlord was ambushed because of the PI glitch and was "persuaded" to forego three times the amount of the deposit on the basis that his tenant would actually leave. Now it is proposed the landlord will end up on the rogues' database.

Of perhaps, some piffling mistake was made with the Tenant Fees Act: https://www.property118.com/tenant-fees-act-2019-elephant-trap-unwary/ or https://www.property118.com/tenant-fees-act-2019-draconian-legislation/
and a landlord ends up with a blackened name.

Be careful what you wish for. What is coming of course when section 21 is abolished is that many more tenants will have CCJs for rent arrears. The CCJ register will become a quasi- rogue tenants' database. Many more tenants will find themselves rejected.

SlippersSimon

9:25 AM, 23rd July 2019
About a month ago

"forgot to sign his Prescribed Information form" the action not the reason for it is what's important, you'ld be amazed at the amount of people who forget to declare income to HMRC, forget Pffff 😏

Dylan Morris

9:51 AM, 23rd July 2019
About a month ago

Reply to the comment left by Ian Narbeth at 22/07/2019 - 16:59
Absolutely spot on Ian.

Ian Narbeth

10:28 AM, 23rd July 2019
About a month ago

Reply to the comment left by SlippersSimon at 23/07/2019 - 09:25Welcome to the Forum, SlippersSimon.
The mischief that lodging deposits was intended to deal with was landlords and agents running off with deposits or just refusing to hand them over, leaving tenants in difficulty and having to institute legal action to recover their money.
What we got was a bureaucratic nightmare for landlords. My example is nothing like not declaring income to HMRC. Read it again. Deposit protected (meaning the tenant's position is protected) and the prescribed information given to the tenant but, by oversight, not signed. If the signed form was served a day late the result would be the same. In what reasonable legal system does that merit a £3000 penalty (e.g. for a £1000 deposit)? You only get a £100 fine if your tax return is sent in late, or unsigned and then rejected.
Analogies are never perfect but consider this. Suppose at work when recovering £50 travel expenses you had to sign the claim form. If you forgot to do so, your accounts department wouldn't pay the expenses but would send the form back and tell you to sign. Now imagine instead that you were fined up to £150 for not signing the claim form. Most people would think that unjust. Imagine that your firm went even further and put your name and that fine on a public register that all the world could see and that your name would be there for years. Would you agree that's even more unjust?
Well, that is what this "Conservative" Government seems to be planning for landlords.

Michael Barnes

2:37 AM, 24th July 2019
About a month ago

Currently to be put on rogue L database needs a successful prosecution.

That takes even longer than a S8G8 eviction.

That is why so few on the database.

Mick Roberts

12:00 PM, 2nd August 2019
About 3 weeks ago

Reply to the comment left by Ian Narbeth at 22/07/2019 - 16:59
Apologies for delay people, been behind as usual with tenants threatening me cause of Nottingham Council & their Selective Licensing.

That's exactly it Ian, Punishment not fitting the crime. We sneeze, we get threatened with criminal conviction. We & other Landlords think then, This is not worth the risk. We sell, we don't buy any more. Tenants struggle even more to get houses. And are left with the Rogue Landlords who don't care about the rules.


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