End of the Road

End of the Road

16:38 PM, 13th September 2018, About 4 years ago 49

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Landlords are reeling, Punch Drunk from the sustained assaults by Central and local Government, not to mention hostile media articles suggesting huge swathes of landlords are preying on tenants offering accommodation for sex.

About time we had a little straight talking, and this brings me to the title “end of the road”. I say categorically that it is time out for the so called associations. We have reached the end of the road with both the NLA and the RLA. Between both these organisations they have approx 90,000 members.

The total number of landlords in the UK in the 2013/14 tax year according to HMRC was 1.75 million, therefore the NLA and RLA represent approx 5% of the sector. This statistic in itself should be enough to set alarm bells ringing for the PRS. How can they represent our interests when their membership take up is so pathetic. Why is that ?

Property118 in the past has been extremely generous to both the NLA and RLA, however I say it is time to wake up and ditch membership. They have done little to nothing for the PRS of late. Take section 24, I am not ,getting this unjust measure completely scrapped was a winnable argument, but what could have been pushed was the cancellation of retrospective taxation. Put simply section 24 is introduced going forward but where Landlords made commercial decisions based on the tax relief, those landlords should not be penalised.

The two bodies representing 5% of our sector could not even win that argument. What about selective Licensing. I took Liverpool to task with the ICO and prevailed. Why did The NLA and RLA fail, or not bother to highlight the Illegality of their scheme. Apologies to the RLA on this point, they were too busy assisting the council introduce their scheme by co regulation. You cannot sit on both side of the fence, unless of course you are the RLA.

Still on the subject of the RLA, I have had sight of letters sent to landlords by the RLA threatening to evict them from co regulation because Liverpool city council allege some disrepair issue. It is hard to fathom, the body supposed to represent landlords is turning on its own members. Both organisations are busy with co regulation of some form or another, apart from Liverpool Sheffield and Wales with “rent smart” come to mind.

The NLA currently offer 9 courses to boost their coffers including a course on Immigration. Landlords who wish to remain au fait with legislation and run their businesses professionally can simply gain all of the knowledge they require on line as well as monitoring Property118.

As regards the “end of the road” I would say that by supporting these two organisations we are actually harming the PRS. Why? Simply because Government and Local authorities can give credibility to any scheme they decide to impose upon us, by claiming the engaged with the bodies who represent us. That however, is not true for two reasons, firstly on the figures quoted above they don’t represent us at all and secondly by assisting councils with their dubious schemes, they clearly represent councils. We landlords are simply an income stream, which should be cut off forthwith.

So where does the PRS go from here. Every landlord ie 1.75 Million plus needs to immediately join Property 118. Membership is free, and before I am accused of being a lobbyist for this site, allow me to explain my rationale. We need to get as many landlords as possible on the same page. The NLA and RLA by their lack of action and derisory membership numbers as well as their affiliation with councils have proved beyond any doubt that they have hit the buffers. Once we get the numbers we can start fighting back and believe me we can fight on many fronts. One final example , I have exposed a flaw in Sefton”s procedure which now must be examined by the ICO. The RLA and NLA were absent from that fight.

Surely they should be examining every Council scheme up and down the land to protect their member”s interests.. The facts speak for themselves. Ditch your memberships. The Associations have run out of Road.


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John Bullock

17:24 PM, 13th September 2018, About 4 years ago

As normal you are so right on the points you are making Larry. Given your success against Liverpool City Council have you thought to ask their support against Sefton and see how they respond as the issues are mirrored with Liverpool?

Gwen Davies

17:29 PM, 13th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Well said Larry. We need landlords who understand the problems to stand up for our rights. But who is going to do it all? It sounds like a lot of work

Larry Sweeney

18:21 PM, 13th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by John Bullock at 13/09/2018 - 17:24
Thanks John. In the real world ,what you suggest, would indeed happen. We must however remember this is "local authority" world where there is no accountability, even less common sense and Mounds of tax payers cash to be wasted. Its laughable Sefton desperately want their Landlord tax scam ,but are so dogmatic that they cannot relent and accept that their scheme contravenes GDPR. Even worse that their Neighbours Liverpool were excoriated for a lesser breach. They could have scrapped their crazy data gathering exercise which does not appear as a condition with other Councils, however their Dogma means Sefton landlords would be foolish in the extreme to continue giving their data to an organisation which cannot keep it up to date
Eg A drug dealer could shoot a landlord thinking he was the current owner of a property just because the council had not updated their records and their demand that we assist them remain GDPR compliant is a farce. Anyway bottom line Sefton scheme on hold as Sefton dig in. Sad Landlords must now wait for these much desired brilliant licences. Only a Council could devise such a scheme.


20:46 PM, 13th September 2018, About 4 years ago

"90,000 members" Surely there can't be these numbers ? That many fools allied to organisations that speak up for and aid and abet organisations that are anti-landlord? That explains everything.

Kay Landlord

4:40 AM, 14th September 2018, About 4 years ago

How do we all work together to get our voices heard louder than the 90k members NLA and and RLA have ?

Also, What is the plan so at least we get the extra 80, 000 signatures required for section 24 to be at least discussed in Parliament? Are there any other petitions available? This is one I can find?

I would think there will be some louder voices of discomfort by Jan next year when tax bills are due.

Is there anything we can do as a group to get access the 1.25 million landlords out there?

Larry Sweeney

8:12 AM, 14th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Kay Landlord at 14/09/2018 - 04:40Replying to Kay and Gwen. You are both correct. If we could harnass the power of our numbers, it would make all the difference. Pethaps Mark and Neil at Property 118 might have ideas. AA is also on the mark. As i said in my offering and to quote him ,These organisations are actually Anti Landlord. It would be a step in the right direction if their entire membership conserved their annual dues and joined Property 118. I would also like to chat to Mark and Neil about a National Rogue Tenants database. Imagine that database and how it could assist us avoiding the thieves and fraudsters who foist themselves upon us.

terry sullivan

8:38 AM, 14th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Kay Landlord at 14/09/2018 - 04:40


9:30 AM, 14th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Larry Sweeney at 14/09/2018 - 08:12
Such a database already exists https://www.landlordreferencing.co.uk

terry sullivan

9:37 AM, 14th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by Larry Sweeney at 14/09/2018 - 08:12
what are 118s fees--i am long term member of nla and in that time it has morphed into a self serving business and rarely opposes anything from govt as it seems to wish to profit from legislation

Gwen Davies

9:40 AM, 14th September 2018, About 4 years ago

Reply to the comment left by David Price at 14/09/2018 - 09:30
If through property 118 there could be an offshoot with a small membership fee co ordinated by someone. It could be quite lucrative and more effective?

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