EICR has thrown a complete spanner in the works?

EICR has thrown a complete spanner in the works?

11:34 AM, 14th April 2021, About 2 months ago 69

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Can anyone help? We have 10 properties all currently let and very few issues – life good right?

Along comes the EICR legislation and throws a complete spanner in the works. We have used the same Electrician for a number of years and trusted him completely, he’s never let us down before but its almost like he thinks we have an open cheque book when it comes to these reports.

We have been charged £150 per report and the quotes to correct just the C1 and C2’s are in the thousands. I discussed correcting the C1 and C2’s only for now and putting the C3’s on a rolling programme throughout the year and suddenly what he told me verbally was a C3 is now a C2 on the report and needs fixing now.

It didn’t feel right, so I consulted a new Electrician (at a cost of £120 per report) and the quotes are HALF the cost of the original Electrician. He confirms that a lot of the C2’s on the reports are actually C3’s and some of the C2’s don’t even exist. One of these is a core showing on a light pendant which turned out to be DIRT, and would have cost me £40 to replace had the original Electrician been tasked with the work.

Is there any recourse for landlords who are being taken for a ride by Electricians – surely this is fraudulent? Do I just have to suck it up and chalk it up to experience?

Julie



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by budd

17:17 PM, 14th April 2021, About 2 months ago

Unfotunately I had the same problem. only thing is if landlords can share the names of honest Electrician

by JohnCaversham

9:42 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

I used to be a sparky many years ago before we built the portfolio up and started developing too.. I now use my own (subby) electrician as I'm not part P compliant, the only property I use a letting agency for thus their own electrician for is 100miles away, and my word he/they were indeed a licence to print money. Eg, the rusty socket back box £75 to replace was in fact just a rusty plate fixing screw-50p. A cracked pendant cap at £35 to replace was a £1 item, unscrew the old one screw in the new one. The list went on and on.. In the end I took my own electrician to the property on a day rate, and he did all the items on the list labour £250/materials £150 v £1200plus vat from the agency's chap...These guys seem charge by the 'item' so each point seems plausible until you add them all up-ie no scale of numbers. So in my view find an electrician with a day rate (£250-350) that can work through the list...

by Jerry Jones

10:04 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

Rusty back boxes seem to be something that gets a lot of mentions recently - I had a 2 year certificate because of it recently, although the sparky seems happy to replace with plastic to stop it happening again. It's a Victorian terraced property and the sockets are on a kitchen party wall, which I rather doubt has a damp issue, particularly as the property had a complete injected DPC before I bought it!

by Chris Bradley

10:06 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

The electrician should be part of a competent person scheme otherwise they can't issue certificates, report your concerns to the scheme they is registered with, or even trading standard s

by Ed Regent

10:07 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by at 14/04/2021 - 17:17
Great idea. Perhaps one for Property118 to have a directory?

by Happy Landlord

10:20 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

Hi Julie. The same thing has happened to me - I am on record as saying that in my opinion the whole situation is corrupt and in many cases crooked. I am a surveyor with over 50 years experience in property management and I have never seen anything like this before. The main problem is that the authority who has drawn up the requirements is also the body who an electrician has to belong, in order to undertake the inspection. My most recent encounter was with an electrician who claimed lots of a particular system came into the C1 and C2 category - there has never been a problem with the system no one has ever been hurt by the system which is in a relatively new bungalow - about 18 years old, but the electrician still wanted to charge just on £1300 to make it safe - I calculated the time and materials involved and it was closer to £800 including an allowance of £100 for pure profit, I wont say more on this but you have a system where the poacher is also the game keeper. Every few years [sometimes annually] the regulatory body brings in another edition, its great for keeping their members employed, a few years ago we were ripping out metal consumer units owning to the possibility of electric shock in order to put plastic ones back in, now because plastic ones burn we are back to putting metal ones back in again - I appreciate the inner workings are improved but it is way over the top. I have been dealing with the regulatory authority for many years and have very little respect for them. You can bet your life that after 5 years they will have come up with another set of regulations meaning the current work undertaken will be obsolete and replaced by the requirement for further alterations. For what it is worth I have come across a few honest electricians who have not seen easy money but most (including some I have known for years who I also thought were honest) have found a way to relieve me of not less than £700 per property rising to £1500 per property, when the system was perfectly useable and safe but just did not fully comply with the latest edition of the regulations. I am generally disgusted by the whole situation which to be quite frank smells to me!!

by Sanjeev Markanday

10:30 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

Same here. Tenants informed me that the electrician spend half his time looking at the consumer unit and going for breaks. A max 1 hr job was spun out to half a day. I've written to him expressing my concerns. but have yet to get a reply. Another scam is the continuity tests whi h failed o 2 circuits in a new built. I'm convinced that they loosen the wires to cause this to happen and it becomes a fail on the report. One guy wanted to charge me £500 to sort it out the same guy who did the report.

by Sanjeev Markanday

10:33 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

Reply to the comment left by at 14/04/2021 - 17:17
I've used Ellies electrician in London. They by far are the most reasonable

by Chris mccauley

10:34 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

I had 5 to do. I used 1 guy for two properties, he was very slow both doing the inspections and in producing eventually after some works a pass certificate, he also did not turn up on a couple of occasions. So I Sacked him. My regular electrician was fitting a new electrical heating system for me so I got him to do the eicr whilst he was there. I got someone else to do the final two, He was quick and efficient but a bit expensive, and he only found 1 fault ,a tenant had painted over 5 double sockets in the kitchen. lessons learnt. 1. If your electrician is causing you any grief get someone else, they all vary so much. 2. You do not always have to have a new type fusebox. Total cost including fault fixing 3 new fuse boxes and vat ,about £1300. Kent.

by BP Surrey

10:53 AM, 15th April 2021, About 2 months ago

I had a good experience using a large firm. I have 10 properties was was charged £118 for each of the initial inspections. Five passed with no work at all required and the other five new consumer units and one or two of the others a few extra bits. The cost of those five were between £500 and £800. Very efficient company certificates supplied by e-mail within a couple of days of completion.

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