Did anyone see the BBC programme on heat pumps?

Did anyone see the BBC programme on heat pumps?

9:28 AM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago 20

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Hello, I just watched the installation of a heat pump costing around £18,000. It was supposed to show that it was possible to retrofit a property, but the property was a bungalow with a large garage.

Apart from the massive external heat pump, there was an enormous cylinder needed and all the radiators needed changing.

The pipework needed both internal and external work and looked like something from a chemical plant and really spoiled the property.

The government MP Graham Stuart thought 90% of properties would be able to have a heat pump fitted. Who is he kidding, many properties including all of my rentals are semi-detached 2/3 bed properties.

Where would I put the tank or even the external heat pump? The government is living a pipe dream (pun intended).

Thanks,

Derek


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IAN POTTER

11:03 AM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago

Slow down folks, did you not suss out that the program was "anti heat pump"
I watched it and found the tactics and subtle suggestion very interesting. You don't have to be Einstein to work out that for the majority of current housing stock it would be impractical, unless of course you have friends with an installation company dear politician, the
by all means make us do it, ooh those divi's.

Chris @ Possession Friend

11:35 AM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago

In short, to further the WEF NetZero Agenda, our Government are selling us a ' pup '

NewYorkie

11:42 AM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago

I thought it was pro-heat pump, with alternative options built up then knocked down. It was also pro-onshore wind, but as expected from Rowlat, without any commentary on the downsides, like each one uses 2000 litres of oil which has to be changed on a regular basis, the blades don't last forever and then have to go to landfill... very green!

Last week, we saw a major heat pump business owner in Scotland saying they don't work as claimed, and are expensive to install and run, because you also need gas/electric back up.

Beaver

14:03 PM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago

Reply to the comment left by David Smith at 02/08/2023 - 10:15
That's right. Hydrogen can be put down a polypropylene pipe network, or generated and stored locally from renewables. Or a mixture of both. It also carries no risk of CO poisoning.

JaSam

15:41 PM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago

Reply to the comment left by Luna at 02/08/2023 - 10:28
Not exactly true. The water can be heated to 60C from the ASHP, it is then boosted via a secondary heater in the tank to 80C to kill legionella once a week, this uses very little energy. You can set this to once per day if you like but it’s long standing warm water that is a problem so using 55C a day with a boost once a week is very low risk. I have my heat tank set to 55C and boosted to 80C at 2am once a week. Remember having water at 80C is risk of scolding far my likely that legionella. Don’t want kids getting burned.

No hate plz

19:25 PM, 2nd August 2023, About 10 months ago

I didn't see the program but judging by the comments is the same thing I have heard before. Heat pumps are not new technology, its more commonly known as air conditioning or the same technology that runs your fridge and freezer! what is new ish, is connecting it to a LTHW system. Heat pumps work fine in commercial buildings (including hot water) BUT they are designed for it, big open spaces with ceiling voids to hide it all. It's fairly simple to build a house that it would work well with (we built houses with gas warm air heating in the 70's) but converting houses is harder and needs more thought.

Paul B

11:49 AM, 3rd August 2023, About 10 months ago

Heat pumps as a product are not too expensive, its the installation cost. Huge mark ups are made to cover the specialism of the contractors and time needed to rectify issues. EPC do not help as they make minimal change on their methodology.

Beaver

14:43 PM, 3rd August 2023, About 10 months ago

Reply to the comment left by No hate plz at 02/08/2023 - 19:25
A lot of that gas warm air heating built in the 1970s was replaced. Legionella is a potential problem with the ventilation ducts of some of those systems and they also have a tendency to accumulate fluff and other organic material.

SCP

12:06 PM, 5th August 2023, About 10 months ago

Reply to the comment left by nekillim200 at 02/08/2023 - 10:13
Excellent statistic to advance one’s argument.
May we now have per capita figures (if the idea is to blame)?

JeggNegg

10:29 AM, 8th August 2023, About 10 months ago

Hi Derek. In answer to your question, Yes I did watch it. Am I any wiser? No.just more confused and certainly not convinced I should consider installing Heat Pumps in existing properties as a way forwards. So what are the cost effective other options? I guess like many others I am waiting to read what changes are to be made to EPC requirements. Hopefully common sense will prevail and new builds will have a higher energy target than properties say built 100 years ago or with solid walls. As the one fact I took from program was buying and installing heat pumps was only one part of the cost (I am not saying HPs are good, bad, or indifferent) but if installation is to an older property then the total cost rises significantly as so much has to removed by specialist and replaced. What I heard mention briefly was ‘INFRA RED’ as a heating source. But I didn’t hear anything else PRO or CON. Does anyone have any information on this type of heating please, both rooms and domestic water?

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