The No Dss Debate – Landlords Alliance advice

The No Dss Debate – Landlords Alliance advice

13:57 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago 17

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The National Landlords Alliance does not advocate contravening legislation so where the law says that ‘No Dss’ ads contravene equality legislation we must not use the terminology.

Now for some straight talk. Shelter have campaigned for the abolition of S21, in effect eroding property owners rights. Shelter with their Million pound budget have time and again refused to bond benefit tenants preferring instead to attack landlords by calling for the scrapping of Section 21.

Here is our advice to Landlords:

  1. Think very carefully about your tenant. Your right to recover your property is being restricted. Do you want a working tenant with a good credit rating who will eventually move on to buy a property or do you want a Benefit tenant who Shelter refuse to bond.
  2. Do you want a tenant who is out working all day and thus less chance of anti-social behaviour or do you want a tenant who resides in the house on benefits and who had little chance of moving, because they are unlikely to obtain a mortgage.
  3. Do you want your rent paid in full, on time and without claw back provision or would you rather wait for months for UC and possibly be hit with claw-backs of hundreds or even thousands of pounds.
  4. Would you like to chose from a pool of working tenants. Landlords, because of constant vilification and Section 21 are leaving the market in droves. This means supply is tightening as demand increases.

Landlords start being very careful about selecting tenants. Lets let Councils and Shelter look after DSS tenants. Lets see how concerned they really are. In the meantime we have mortgages to pay, families to feed.

We don’t discriminate, we must be careful not to be seen to discriminate, but landlords see our advise above and make decisions based on commercial reality. If they remove section 21 against our wishes and our advice fine, but the vulnerable will pay a very high price.

Don’t blame us. Blame Shelter.

Larry Sweeney

National Landlords Alliance

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Fed Up Landlord

14:56 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago

Larry I agree wholeheartedly. We no longer put "No DSS". We put:

" All applicants will need to pass credit,(No County Court Judgements (CCJs) or Individual Voluntary Arrangements (IVAs), employment,affordability, and previous landlord referencing process.Minimum Affordability Annual Salary Calculation of 30x the monthly rental amount applies"

More than one way to skin a cat, as they say!

John Parfett

15:35 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago

“Salary” might be discriminatory (rolls eyes). How about “income”?

Fed Up Landlord

16:29 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by John Parfett at 26/04/2019 - 15:35
Good idea John. Wouldn't want to upset the Tenancy Police would we 🙂

John Parfett

17:00 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago

Watch what happens on Zoopla & Rightmove - everyone is going to copy each other’s wording but it amounts to the same thing: fewer landlords, fewer properties & more tenants to choose from. As Larry has stated above, why take a chance when we can pick tenants that present the least risk of default.
I watched the live debate & one of the questions asked was along the lines of “”where are the stats that show DSS are high risk”. The Shelter guy said he had no supporting evidence & wasn’t aware of anything adverse. Him & Polly need to get out more, or at least stop bullshitting & start putting their massive funds into something constructive like funding DSS deposits or building houses.

Fed Up Landlord

17:16 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago

John you know that; I know that; but the 600 odd idiots in Parliament know it but want the votes, and Shelter just want us to house everybody for free- because that's the type of business people we are 🙂

John Parfett

17:28 PM, 26th April 2019, About 5 years ago

I wonder how many real rogue landlords there are - not just complaints made against landlords - but actual real rogue landlords that have complaints upheld yet refused to address the issue, compared to real rogue tenants. Defaulting tenants that sometimes trash the place on the way out because they can.
Most of my tenancies are mutually beneficial & respectful, but when it goes wrong... I’m going to start the bidding at 90% rogue tenants compared to 10% rogue landlord based on my experience. What do you think?

Arnie Newington

8:30 AM, 27th April 2019, About 5 years ago

Another bug bear of social tenants is that the date they leave the property and the date the lease ends are rarely the same.

The default position is that benefits stop when the tenant moves out. They can claim for a payment for the period between when they move out and the lease ends but in practice they rarely do and the landlord is then expected to take the hit or start legal action.


13:20 PM, 27th April 2019, About 5 years ago

Reply to the comment left by John Parfett at 26/04/2019 - 17:28
I read recently that no landlords have been placed on the governments rogue landlord database, so I'd say there aren't that many rogue's!


13:24 PM, 27th April 2019, About 5 years ago

If the government is so keen for landlords to pick up the slack for the missing social housing stock then maybe they should offer some kind of damage/rent playback if things go wrong.
If the DSS tennant are angels then there is no risk is there!

Larry Sweeney

10:38 AM, 28th April 2019, About 5 years ago

Re Steve 136 point. We know that there are many rogue tenants especially benefit tenants which is why Shelter with their millions refuse to bond them.
Landlords , its your asset, your investment, these idiots want the wording 'No Dss' banned. Fine but that does not mean you must accept DSS. Once again the advise of the Alliance is to accept working tenants with credit history and home owner guarantors. Lets watch the housing crisis spiral as benefit tenants line up outside council offices. Lets watch from the sidelines
Not our problem. Over to Shelter the Housing charity which houses nobody.

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