Joint tenancy - weakest tenant must stand alone?

Joint tenancy – weakest tenant must stand alone?

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9:50 AM, 12th March 2025, 1 year ago 13

Hello, As a landlord I have always believed it safe to allow one tenant on a weaker income as they are joint and separately liable. Sadly for many this is no longer true. Both tenants must be strong enough to pick up the rent alone.

I received notice for the end of a tenancy and agreed to an end for both tenants. However, only one tenant moved out. The other refuses to budge, pay or communicate.

Even though an assured shorthold contract specifies the property must be left vacant, in court I found the tenant with all the cash walked free.

Personally, I am leaving the market, but I feel so sad, as surely this will prevent so many landlords renting to families or artists or young people starting careers….. if a partner’s income can not be relied upon.

At a possession hearing, the judge entirely ignored the contract and allowed hearsay to determine the case.

I was shocked as I spoke to five different specialist law firms who unanimously advised that until the property was vacant both tenants were liable.

But no, the legal verdict from the judge… “What’s he supposed to do about her?”

Waiting for my case, I was lucky to get to the court room, the duty solicitors were dismissing landlords themselves….

It feels like a witch hunt, and I don’t believe there is much protection for landlords…my conclusion….a contract is not worth the paper it is written on…

I can’t wait to sell up and move on to pastures greener…no more property letting for me…I hope this helps others avoid trouble.

Thank you,

SLBP


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  • Member Since December 2023 - Comments: 1575

    10:14 AM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    They are both liable for the rent until the fixed term ends, unless you release one from the tenancy.
    If the tenancy is periodic, one tenant giving notice ends the tenancy for all tenants.
    Seek advice from an eviction specialist.

  • Member Since February 2023 - Comments: 39

    10:39 AM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Never heard of your situation before. Joint tenants always have all names listed on the court order and CCJ. I’ve never gone to court though without a solicitor. I also issue guidance to joint tenants before starting that they are liable for the whole contract.
    You should be able to enforce the debt against the cash rich name.

  • Member Since November 2015 - Comments: 584

    10:50 AM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Technically the tenancy is legally ended when a tenant gives notice to end it. The person remaining is legally “holding over” and there is a law which allows you to charge additional funds on this basis. However you are in danger of inadvertently creating a new tenancy with the remaining resident if you demand or accept “rent”. You need to specify in any demands that you are charging them “mesne rent” for holding over. If you google this you should be able to get the details of it all. When you’re going before the magistrate it’s a good idea to set out your case in clear bullet points, highlighting your LEGAL argument including the relevant laws, so the magistrate has a chance to review your position before you appear before him/her. They might have felt that as the tenancy was over, only one tenant was holding over and you’d potentially created a new lease (?) just a thought

  • Member Since August 2020 - Comments: 3

    10:57 AM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    In WALES the new RHW act makes your situation ‘normal’.
    Joint tenants can leave without the tenancy ending, they just have to ‘notify’ the landlord and other joint tenant(s).
    I don’t think this has been well thought through, as it has lead to exactly the situation you describe. Our best solution now is to make just the ‘stronger’ tenant the contract holder, and the other a ‘permitted occupier’ – but this only works if one tenant has sufficient income to meet the rent solo. I think they thought they were doing a good thing for landlords, as students / sharers can join and leave an existing tenancy without a new contract being necessary. But like so much of the Renting Homes Wales Act it seems to be poorly thought out legislation drafted be people who don’t know how the PRS works.

  • Member Since April 2021 - Comments: 94

    11:24 AM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Thanks for sharing. My experience of the courts through business, not landlording (yet!), is that you should never assume an outcome is a ‘sure thing’. As you indicate, a lot can rest on the judge and their interpretation on the day despite your contracts and legal advice to the contrary. Cost of doing business alas.

  • Member Since October 2020 - Comments: 198

    11:29 AM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    It seems from my reading of the original post: Landlord accepted notice from the tenant to end the tenancy on a certain date, and the tenant has not offered and nor has landlord accepted any rent subsequently, so the tenancy ended on the date specified in the notice. As the tenant did not vacate, they are now trespassing, and Section 18 of the Distress for Rent Act 1737 comes into play — Landlord is entitled to double the passing rent in the period of the trespass and it is not advisable for the landlord to accept rent at the old rate.
    The Landlord will need a specialist to help with this though.

  • Member Since March 2023 - Comments: 51

    12:08 PM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    The big question would be I think have you, as the landlord done everything reasonable to ensure you get payment or vacation from the remaining tenant.

    I’m not sure of this but while the tenant remains responsible for your costs until you have vacant possession.

    When I join tenant gives notice it has been my practise to contact the remaining tenant and tell them their contract has now legally ended and they need to either sign a new contract (letting the know the rent proposed for the new contract etc ) or vacate by the notice date (where there is a breakup it helps to let the remaining partner know this ASAP)
    If they do not vacate by the notice date (or you or they don’t want a new contract – then you should immediately ask the court for a possession order – you don’t need to give notice as the tenant gave that.

    The departing tenant cannot evict their ex – only you can do that – and while both parties remain jointly liable – I think the court can reasonably take into account whether the landlord is unreasonably holding one partner to account more than the other

    you don’t say which court you used to pursue the debt and or your costs – or if you were seeking any injunction that the departed partner should pay future rent for the remaining parter (I think you would be unlikely to get that .

    Also worth checking if any of the departed tenants property is left at the property or whether they have revisited the property or retained a key or access to the property in which case the onus may be on them to prove they actually vacated after giving notice .

    If you are going the route of distress of rent act – you should make sure you have applied for a posession order – so it cannot be argued that you are treating the remaining parter as a tenant with a valid agreement.

  • Member Since June 2024 - Comments: 8

    12:21 PM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    I did this once. This was because when I viewed a place things seemed fine. The place needed a freshen up with paint but I agreed to paint it and was happy to do so when viewing the property. He gave me the keys and I got to work painting it only to realise the whole place was damp. The walls around the electric box under the stairs was wet cos it was damp too. So I decided not to proceed any further. The landlord kept the whole deposit dispite him getting a new tenant straight away. It said nothing in the contract about him charging my deposit if I changed my mind. I just left it cos I didn’t want the hassle but he should have really given me a small amount of the deposit back but he didn’t. I left it but karma always comes back round to you if you are greedy so am OK with karma doing its thing. At least I wasn’t stuck in his damp house is the way I look at it. I would say deduct something off but don’t be greedy.

  • Member Since October 2020 - Comments: 1137

    12:22 PM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    You don’t say what type of court case you launched, but as has been mentioned, the one tenant serving a valid notice would end the tenancy for both. The court appears to have confirmed this is what has happened. In this case, the person remaining is a trespasser and you must apply to the court to remove them.

  • Member Since February 2023 - Comments: 85

    3:13 PM, 12th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Reply to the comment left by Julz H at 12/03/2025 – 12:21
    I would not let the landlord get away with that, and I am a landlord.

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