The Mortgage Works – You need to know about this risk if prices fall !

The Mortgage Works – You need to know about this risk if prices fall !

13:23 PM, 4th August 2015, About 9 years ago 15

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I am just about to buy a property and I had my mortgage in place through TMW (The Mortgage Works). While reading through the Standard BTL Mortgage Conditions:2012 booklet they sent me I noticed right at the back a tiny little clause which I think could have serious consequences for me (and anyone else with a mortgage from TMW ) so much so that I’m now pulling out of the mortgage ! Just want to share the clause here and then some background on what I found out by making feverish calls to my broker and TMW.the mortgage works

The scary clause is, and I quote:

“32.3 If at any time the LTV is greater than the original LTV, we can require you (i) to reduce the debt such as to ensure that the LTV is equal to or less than the original LTV or (ii) to provide us with alternative or additional security acceptable to us (at our discretion) which would, when aggregated with the value of the property, ensure the LTV is equal to or less than the original LTV, or any combination of (i) and (ii). When we make such a request you will comply with it and make such payments and/or deliver such acceptable alternative security as applicable in 30 days o request.”

In simple terms, say you have a 75% LTV and you take out a loan and the property drops in value for any reason then you need to find extra money to make up the difference so that the lender maintains the 75% LTV. Think about that, the property market goes down – you’re happily paying your mortgage and meeting your commitments but they can send a valuer round (at your expense, according to clause 32.2 !!) who may conclude the property is worth a bit less than you originally paid for it so now you need to make up the difference by finding extra money or providing extra security.

A worked example shows how scary the numbers can be:-

£300k purchase price. 75% loan = £225k, Say the price drops 20% so the property is now worth £240k it means the LTV is now 93% so that’s not going to fly for TMW ! They’ll be looking for you to bring that LTV back down to 75% which means that the maximum debt they will accept outstanding is 75% of the new lower price (£240k) i.e. £180k. That basically means you’ll need to pay the mortgage down from £225k way down to £180k …i.e you need to find £45k of extra money or security for them to hold at a really bad time in the property market in 30 days !!!! yikes ! If like me you like to hold money on the sides to pick up bargains when the market is in trouble or to see you through troubled times, you’ll find you’ll be having pay down the debt on your existing property(ies). It doesn’t stop there….if the price continues to fall further they can send a valuer again, and again, and again !!!!

Anyway, I called TMW – couldn’t get any sense from anyone as nobody even had the terms in front of them to read. They then said to ask my solicitor to contact their legal team. Spoke to my broker who spoke to his business manager who confirmed that yes the clause is there but that he’s never heard of it being used before (but then these terms were printed in 2012 so would they really have needed to given the strength of the market?)

The other thing to note is that if you are fixing for say 5 years, presumably like me you are worried about rates rising, which in most cases will mean a cooling off of prices especially if you’ve bought just recently. So on the one hand you’re playing it safe locking the rate in but at the other end of the equation you may be asked for money / security that you don’t have !!

Be interesting to hear others members comments on this…

Beware all – it’s fine if you know the risks going in but even my broker didn’t appreciate how financially painful this could be!

Joel


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Joel Hearne

18:09 PM, 6th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Howard Reuben" at "06/08/2015 - 13:23":

Apologies I did mean to write Howard but was in a rush while writing...I appreciate your comments but I do think it is a brokers duty to inform his client about the possible negative in the terms, in this case my loan to value was 25/75 and I would not consider that highly geared but if there was a chance I would need to stump up extra money due to the clause in TMW it is correct that this should be flagged by the broker. Otherwise a landlord could easily be forced into financial trouble as it is a term that not all lenders stipulate. They go to all the trouble to see that you can afford the payments and do checks so why not make sure you read this small print hiden in the general terms and conditions booklet, its sneaky in my book.

Your point about contradicting myself I dissagree with only in that Marks advice would be to take the money out of the deal if prices rise and leave the cash to one side and use this when the prices fall well I am doing that in that I have plenty of cash/assets to one side and when the price of this property falls I want to buy another, not be paying back TMW for any difference in LTV they may be experiencing. I realise this lowers the LTV ratio but if I am on a long term fixed rate with TMW being 10 years I am very safe from monthly rate rises and would be a mug to have to pay them rather than use the cash to secure another higher yielding property due to the price reductions. So with a 10 year fixed and lower LTV drop I dont see where the risk is as I can afford the payments as they will be very stable for a long time and a price drop allows me to take advantage of this drop, even if the price dropped to 100% of the LTV I would be secure.

Joel Hearne

18:18 PM, 6th August 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Michael Barnes" at "06/08/2015 - 13:15":

If a lender enters in a 25/75 LTV deal then due to a house price slup want you to stump up the extra due to a tiny clause in their terms then they are the ones causing the problem, it is their and brokers responsibility to let the punter know this CLEARLY....And as know one knows which way house prices go they should not be allowed to inforce such a term, especially without making it clear...

S.E. Landlord

13:00 PM, 7th August 2015, About 9 years ago

I had a mortgage where the lender charged an extra rate if the LTV was above 75%. When the property increased in value and the LTV fell below 75% I asked the lender to remove the loading which they did, I therefore think it reasonable if the risk increases above what the lender agreed that they can ask for the LTV to be reduced back to where it was or ask for additional security.

I also think brokers cannot possibly know all the terms and conditions of the different lenders, it must be difficult enough to know all their lending criteria - the responsibility for reading the terms and conditions is with the borrower and their solicitor.

Kobby Tan

13:04 PM, 4th September 2015, About 9 years ago

Sorry an unrelated question. I am waiting nervously from TMW to get back to me on a valuation done on a BTL., taking longer than usual. Actually I am planning to take some equity from the property on a 75LTV. In your experience with them did their valuers undervalue your property at all? Some valuers I understand do this to cover their backs so just wanted to double check with people who have used them before.

Rgds
Kobby

ray selley

18:53 PM, 4th September 2015, About 9 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Kobby Tan" at "04/09/2015 - 13:04":

I applied for a re mortgage with TMW about 6 months ago and the valuers figure was way above my estimate so i had the mortgage offer increased accordingly.My previous re mortgage applications with TMW all valued fine and completed without any problems

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