3 years ago | 20 comments
Hi, I have recently applied for and been granted licences for some flats I own in Birmingham.
Now the council are conducting assessments on all flats wishing to spend half an hour with each tenant. Firstly, they expect me to organise all my tenants to be home on the same day but not offering a weekend option.
They have terrified one of my very vulnerable tenants yesterday and demanded that he does let them in, not sure how this stacks up against my tenant’s human right to a quiet and peaceful home life. Finally, I have had one house done and was surprised that the only thing pointed out was that a tenant was smoking in his own flat. I spoke to a landlord yesterday that told me Birmingham council told him he should evict a tenant for smoking in his own flat.
How can this be legal?
Thanks,
Noel
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Member Since October 2020 - Comments: 199
3:39 PM, 18th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by David Houghton at 18/03/2025 – 15:33
Yep, that is true too. Any which way the licence holder is not obliged to make demands of the occupants.
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7:35 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Simon F at 18/03/2025 – 12:37
Interesting. LBN seem to get round the 24 hour notice requirements by simply saying they will be visiting anytime in the next month and just expecting tenants to let them in. Clearly breaches their right to peaceable enjoyment of their home.
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9:36 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
I stumbled on this website and would like to make contributions on this raised issue. In line with the Housing Act 2004, section 239, the Council must give Licence Holders and Tenants 24 hours notice in most cases before carrying out property compliance inspections There are exceptional circumstances where the inspection could be conducted without such notice. Anyone who applied for an HMO license should have read the rules, regulations and conditions guiding licensed properties and one of such prohibits tenants smoking anything in shared accommodation for fire safety reasons. License holders are meant to make the No Smoking policy in the tenancy agreement
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10:13 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Nich Kay at 19/03/2025 – 09:36
At no point was it suggested this is an HMO licence (only license in America) and anyway different authorities impose different conditions. There is no arbitrary smoking ban in shared property.
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10:19 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Londonlad at 19/03/2025 – 10:13
At no point did I said the property in question is an HMO. I only gave a general explanation based on my understanding of UK Act and Regulations
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11:04 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Nich Kay at 19/03/2025 – 09:36In England, the Health Act 2006 prohibits smoking in common areas of multi-unit residential accommodation. This includes shared lounges in HMOs where rooms let individually. But smoking in individual units (flats or rooms or shared houses on joint let) where the tenant has sole occupation, can only be controlled through tenancy agreements. Councils have no right to dictate what goes into a tenancy agreement. Housing Act 2004 section 67 (5) and (6) prohibit licence conditions that impose restrictions or obligations on third-parties or that change terms of occupation. I don’t have the link handy but DCLG guidance to local authorities says this includes future as well as current tenancy agreements.
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11:08 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
In England, the Health Act 2006 prohibits smoking in common areas of multi-unit residential accommodation. This includes shared lounges in HMOs where rooms let individually. But smoking in individual units (flats or rooms or shared houses on joint let) where the tenant has sole occupation, can only be controlled through tenancy agreements. Councils have no right to dictate what goes into a tenancy agreement. Housing Act 2004 section 67 (5) and (6) prohibit licence conditions that impose restrictions or obligations on third-parties or that change terms of occupation. I don’t have the link handy but DCLG guidance to local authorities says this includes future as well as current tenancy agreements.
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11:09 AM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Simon F at 19/03/2025 – 11:08
Section 67 here:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/34/section/67
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12:57 PM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Simon F at 19/03/2025 – 11:09
That link seems to be saying the exact opposite in that councils can, and do dictate what must go in an AST.
Specifically many London Boroughs require anti-social behaviour clauses.
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1:18 PM, 19th March 2025, About 1 year ago
Reply to the comment left by Londonlad at 19/03/2025 – 12:57
Councils do expect that, but it is not lawful for them to do it. Section 67 says councils can impose licence conditions on the licence holder, that is inclusive of practical steps to limit or control ASB, but in (5) and (6) that this must not impose obligations on the third parties or alter terms of occupation. And if you check the FTT decision on the 2nd ground of appeal in https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6114efa7e90e07054a62c499/86_Cotswold_Road_Determination.pdf ASB clauses are really for where there is a history of ASB at the property not as blanket licence conditions on Part 2 licences. Referencing of occupants is required for Part 3 licences though. If you check FTT decsion https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5ce3c75640f0b627ddfde2de/LON00ADHMR20180001_Decision_-_188-192_West_Street.pdf it is wrong even for a council to expect that occupants are tenants on a tenancy agreement.