Bizarre Housing Benefit scenario - is this legal?

Bizarre Housing Benefit scenario – is this legal?

Confused man scratching head with question marks above.
12:01 AM, 7th March 2025, 1 year ago 25

Some parents I know recently purchased a 3 bed detached bungalow for their severely disabled daughter to live in, and due to the need for 24hr care, she qualifies for the “2-bed HB rate” (one bedroom for her, and one for her carer). Her father charged her rent equal to the HB rate she is entitled to, so as to get as much money back as he could, whilst not requiring his daughter’s funds to be used for rent, and so that her accommodation security was assured and sustainable.

Her condition means that she simply cannot live with other people, hence, the parents had to make financial sacrifices to buy her her own property for life. So far, so good.

Here is the bizarre part: after a home visit from the local HB officer from the Council, her father was then told that he was not charging a sufficient rate of rent for his daughter’s accommodation and that he has to charge her more – about twice as much, in fact. Otherwise, HB would not be paid to her.

The father had to then give his daughter the additional rent money (on which he has of course paid income tax to earn that money in the first place), so that his daughter could then pay it back to him (along with the HB money), as total rent; the father had then to declare that total rent as income, and pay income tax (again) on that rental income.

He is now in a situation whereby his daughter’s accommodation is no longer financially sustainable after the demise of her parents, unless the parent’s house can be sold and the funds used to pay the extra rent for the rest of the daughter’s life.

I cannot believe this is legal; he has contested this with the Council, but they have stood firm and are refusing to change their position.

For what it’s worth; my advice to the father came too late, as he had already engaged the Council in the HB discussion, but I would have stated that she is renting a room in a three bed house, not the house overall, and that the additional bedroom may be rented to another disabled person in due course (one of the three bedrooms has to be assigned to the carer of course).

I appreciate this is a somewhat specialised area, but if anyone out there has had a similar experience or can help with disputing this ludicrous position taken by the Council, please let me know.

Steve


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  • Member Since May 2021 - Comments: 18

    4:32 PM, 7th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Reply to the comment left by Bill irvine at 07/03/2025 – 15:58You made an assumption that UC was being claimed, even after I explained that she is claiming HB not UC. Plus, at my age, a few years ago is “recent”…

  • Member Since August 2013 - Comments: 148

    4:39 PM, 7th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Hi Steve

    My response was based on the poor and misleading outline you provided, nothing else. I also spent a considerable time trying to assist.

    I’ll avoid answering any further posts from you.

    Bill

  • Member Since February 2024 - Comments: 71

    9:53 AM, 8th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    It maybe that the council need to ensure that the tenancy meets all the criteria of a fully commercial arrangement.
    So the parents should charge daughter same rent as similar 3 bed properties in area.
    If they rented the property to anyone else they would more than likely charge a market rent.
    Similarly, if the daughter rented a 3 bed property from someone else it would be at market rent, irrespective of the fact that she only qualifies for HB at 2 bed rate.
    Presumably she gets other welfare benefits and allowances so may be able to pay some of rent shortfall herself.
    If she doesn’t pay the full rent she may fall into rental arrears, but doubt parents will evict her!
    We’ve had tenants with arrears which when they leave we just write off, no authority has ever queried.

  • Member Since February 2024 - Comments: 71

    10:12 AM, 8th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Forgot to say in previous post, that if using “cash accounting” the parents only need to declare the actual rent they receive and can still deduct any costs they incur on their tax return.

  • Member Since August 2014 - Comments: 336

    10:44 AM, 8th March 2025, About 1 year ago

    Reply to the comment left by Jill Church at 08/03/2025 – 10:12
    I think the parents also need to run the rental property as a ‘business’ if they want to deduct their mortgage costs, maintenance costs etc from the income they receive before paying tax on the income.
    The scenario as posted appears to be a form of charity, not a business.

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