Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence

Registered with Property118.com
Tuesday 21st April 2020

Location
England-wide

Specialisms
Barristers Opinion

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Company

Providing essential rental accommodation since
2010

Insures properties through a broker recommended by Property118
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Latest Comments

Total Number of Property118 Comments: 12

Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence

19:46 PM, 17th July 2020
About 3 weeks ago

Does it have to be a metal fuse box now?

Reply to the comment left by Ian Morgan at 17/07/2020 - 19:30
You're absolutely right the ELECTRICAL regulations are not retrospective.

However Fire Risk Assessment is based on CURRENT best safety practice and Fire Safety Guidance is that plastic consumer units are a significant fire risk and cannot be permitted in the fire exit route or under the stairs unless they are enclosed in a 30 minute fire containment compartment.

This is a decision for the Responsible Person as defined by the Fire Safety Order and usually based on a Fire Risk Assessment which will be as above if undertaken by a professional Fire Risk Assessor.

Usually the cheaper and better long term solution is to replace with a metal enclosed unit to the current standards.

I hope this is clearer - I'm talking about fire safety requirements not electrical condition requirements.... Read More

Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence

15:51 PM, 17th July 2020
About 3 weeks ago

Does it have to be a metal fuse box now?

Reply to the comment left by WP at 17/07/2020 - 11:49
And that’s why landlords get prosecuted by Councils. Electricians are not trained Fire Risk Assessors and the EICR is about ELECTRICAL CONDITION not whether it is in a high risk location from a fire safety perspective.
#CertifiedFireRiskAssessor #CertifiedHousingHealthandSafetyPractitioner giving you free professional advice... Read More

Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence

13:58 PM, 16th July 2020
About 3 weeks ago

Does it have to be a metal fuse box now?

Reply to the comment left by Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence at 16/07/2020 - 13:57
And that includes if it’s under the stairs... Read More

Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence

13:57 PM, 16th July 2020
About 3 weeks ago

Does it have to be a metal fuse box now?

If the electrician says it needs replacing as part of his EICR then that means it’s reached end of life.

HOWEVER if it is in a fire exit route these plastic things are a real danger because the plastic is fuel for a fire (particularly from arcing inside the unit) to this end we as Fire Risk Assessors have to say you must EITHER replace it with a metal enclosed unto OR enclose it in a fully 30 minute fireproof enclosure (and probably still have to replace it in the next few years when the EICR says it’s end of life. You must do one or the other if it’s in the fire escape route... Read More

Phil Turtle, Landlord Licensing & Defence

14:28 PM, 6th July 2020
About a month ago

DON’T TALK TO THE COUNCIL!!!

Reply to the comment left by geester24 at 06/07/2020 - 14:19
geester24. I think the landlords who we get coming to our practice daily with £50,000 £60,000 fines might be glad of this information and would all say “I wish we’d known that before they tricked me into self-incriminating”. We are not saying all the individuals are bad people but their institutions are there to enforce against landlords not to help them. It’s the same that you wouldn’t go voluntarily giving the police information to convict you with. People need to understand that Councils are police, judge and jury and get to keep the fine money. Sadly they cannot be our friends... Read More