This link has some examples how the changes will impact in a few different scenarios. I think most here now understand how the new calculation will be applied but thought it may be of interest to read. http://m.accountingweb.co.uk/article/osborne-s-reforms-send-property-spin/584698
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 22:42": Thanks Appalled Landlord, can see that now. Thanks for the clarification and apologies again if I caused any further confusion to anybody.
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 22:15": Page 59. He stated that the amount of interest that can be offset is limited to the rental profit amount (income - costs) in that case as that...
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 22:00": So Appalled Landlord would the example that Simon provided be incorrect? That only relief on 20k of the interest would be able to be used that tax year?
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 21:01": But as per Simon Lever example, only 33,500 of the 51,000 interest in Gary's figures could have the 20% relief applied and used that year, is that right?...
I just keep to this simple understanding on this, Income – Costs = Profit Tax Calculated on Profit Actual Tax Due = Tax Calculated - Relief on interest costs
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "14/07/2015 - 19:49": But Gary that 100k interest cost wouldn't be classed income though would it? If I have absolutely no income (no salary and no profits on my BTL) but...
Your profits increase as a result of the interest costs, as a deduction pre tax calculation, being removed. Your income doesn't increase by means of adding the interest amount to your profits. Right? Think the terms that people are using...
I did a calculation earlier today based on current 20% tax payer with their personal allowance being used for their earned income through salary. My calculation was that as result of the changes and becoming a 40% tax payer in...
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "12/07/2015 - 19:37": No need to provide figures for you to provide detailed example now Gary as understood now as to how you were looking at this. Thanks to some posts...
Reply to the comment left by "James dengel" at "12/07/2015 - 14:56": Ahhh....got that methodology of thinking on this now, thanks to above explanation from James. Very helpful sir!
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Nock" at "12/07/2015 - 14:10": As I have come to understand and to what I believe is correct, Today you reduce the £ value that tax is calculated on deducting interest costs (as...
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "12/07/2015 - 13:15": Appalled Landlord - The figures for old and new change in future years as the changes are implemented. Gary Mason - struggling to understand how interest would be...
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 22:45": Sorry Gary, you've lost me on this. Something seems adrift with the numbers and methodology being used in the calcs. Maybe somebody else can make sense of it...
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 22:33": Gary, if the 65k is interest what is the rental income amount? If you look back a few pages there is a good post linking to mortgages for...
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 21:26": No, your fax relief (20%) would be applied to your interest (finance costs) and deducted from your tax due. You seem to be confusing income and interest here.
Reply to the comment left by "James Leavesden" at "11/07/2015 - 11:05": Thanks for posting, this really helps and sets out the position. So as I had interpreted although they say this is neutral position for 20% tax payers today,...
Reply to the comment left by "Michelle O'Connor" at "11/07/2015 - 10:33": This was also the point I was making and still seems unclear, does the revised method of calculation result in 20% tax payers currently suddenly being deemed 40%....
Reply to the comment left by "Simon Dewsberry" at "10/07/2015 - 23:46": I posted previously but the post seems to have disappeared! My post was around fact that added to this scenario here, surely many landlords in the 20% tax...
16th July 2015, 11 years ago
This link has some examples how the changes will impact in a few different scenarios. I think most here now understand how the new calculation will be applied but thought it may be of interest to read. http://m.accountingweb.co.uk/article/osborne-s-reforms-send-property-spin/584698
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Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 22:42": Thanks Appalled Landlord, can see that now. Thanks for the clarification and apologies again if I caused any further confusion to anybody.
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Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 22:15": Page 59. He stated that the amount of interest that can be offset is limited to the rental profit amount (income - costs) in that case as that...
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Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 22:00": So Appalled Landlord would the example that Simon provided be incorrect? That only relief on 20k of the interest would be able to be used that tax year?
Read More →Reply to comment left by Appalled Landlord at 14/07/2015 - 21:01
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "14/07/2015 - 21:01": But as per Simon Lever example, only 33,500 of the 51,000 interest in Gary's figures could have the 20% relief applied and used that year, is that right?...
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I just keep to this simple understanding on this, Income – Costs = Profit Tax Calculated on Profit Actual Tax Due = Tax Calculated - Relief on interest costs
Read More →Reply to comment left by Gary Mason at 14/07/2015 - 19:49
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "14/07/2015 - 19:49": But Gary that 100k interest cost wouldn't be classed income though would it? If I have absolutely no income (no salary and no profits on my BTL) but...
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Your profits increase as a result of the interest costs, as a deduction pre tax calculation, being removed. Your income doesn't increase by means of adding the interest amount to your profits. Right? Think the terms that people are using...
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I did a calculation earlier today based on current 20% tax payer with their personal allowance being used for their earned income through salary. My calculation was that as result of the changes and becoming a 40% tax payer in...
Read More →Reply to comment left by Gary Mason at 12/07/2015 - 19:37
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "12/07/2015 - 19:37": No need to provide figures for you to provide detailed example now Gary as understood now as to how you were looking at this. Thanks to some posts...
Read More →Reply to comment left by James dengel at 12/07/2015 - 14:56
Reply to the comment left by "James dengel" at "12/07/2015 - 14:56": Ahhh....got that methodology of thinking on this now, thanks to above explanation from James. Very helpful sir!
Read More →Reply to comment left by Gary Nock at 12/07/2015 - 14:10
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Nock" at "12/07/2015 - 14:10": As I have come to understand and to what I believe is correct, Today you reduce the £ value that tax is calculated on deducting interest costs (as...
Read More →Reply to comment left by Appalled Landlord at 12/07/2015 - 13:15
Reply to the comment left by "Appalled Landlord" at "12/07/2015 - 13:15": Appalled Landlord - The figures for old and new change in future years as the changes are implemented. Gary Mason - struggling to understand how interest would be...
Read More →Reply to comment left by Gary Mason at 11/07/2015 - 22:45
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 22:45": Sorry Gary, you've lost me on this. Something seems adrift with the numbers and methodology being used in the calcs. Maybe somebody else can make sense of it...
Read More →Reply to comment left by Gary Mason at 11/07/2015 - 22:33
Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 22:33": Gary, if the 65k is interest what is the rental income amount? If you look back a few pages there is a good post linking to mortgages for...
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Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 22:05": Just to be clear is the 65k interest or income?
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Reply to the comment left by "Gary Mason" at "11/07/2015 - 21:26": No, your fax relief (20%) would be applied to your interest (finance costs) and deducted from your tax due. You seem to be confusing income and interest here.
Read More →Reply to comment left by James Leavesden at 11/07/2015 - 11:05
Reply to the comment left by "James Leavesden" at "11/07/2015 - 11:05": Thanks for posting, this really helps and sets out the position. So as I had interpreted although they say this is neutral position for 20% tax payers today,...
Read More →Reply to comment left by Michelle O'Connor at 11/07/2015 - 10:33
Reply to the comment left by "Michelle O'Connor" at "11/07/2015 - 10:33": This was also the point I was making and still seems unclear, does the revised method of calculation result in 20% tax payers currently suddenly being deemed 40%....
Read More →Reply to comment left by Simon Dewsberry at 10/07/2015 - 23:46
Reply to the comment left by "Simon Dewsberry" at "10/07/2015 - 23:46": I posted previously but the post seems to have disappeared! My post was around fact that added to this scenario here, surely many landlords in the 20% tax...
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