paul landlord

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paul landlord

14:07 PM, 11th February 2020
About A week ago

Combustible Electrical consumer unit

Reply to the comment left by Michael Barnes at 11/02/2020 - 00:46
Yes I remember that fiasco and I have to confess my naievty in crediting our governments with actually having a clue in whatever they do.
Lets just hope the status quo remains in terms of dealing with fault codings otherwise there are going to be a lot of out of pocket landlords and a lot of busy electricians driving Porsches instead of vans!

Ridiculous state of affairs- but isn't it always the case when they play games with landlord and tenant stuff?... Read More

paul landlord

17:00 PM, 10th February 2020
About 2 weeks ago

Combustible Electrical consumer unit

Reply to the comment left by Michael Barnes at 09/02/2020 - 18:56
I have previously read that article and assumed that the powers that be are not so stupid as to expect a C3 to be a part of remedial action or recommendations they speak of that appear on the EICRs. Otherwise we'll all be doing nothing else than constantly running around our properties changing the installations everytime they change the regs- and the reg changes are changing every couple of years or so at the moment. 2008 17th edition 2011 amm1, 2013 amm2, 2015 amm3, 2018 18th edition, 2020 amm1 just come in and amm2 planned for 2022.

However my assumption on their lack of stupidity could be an overassumption of course!

And if so we'll need about 5x the amount of sparks we have now to keep up and I'll be making it rich with the laws of supply and demand on my sparks business whilst the supply plays catch up!!

They're not that stupid..... are they??... Read More

paul landlord

0:33 AM, 9th February 2020
About 2 weeks ago

Combustible Electrical consumer unit

Reply to the comment left by at 08/02/2020 - 18:10
To the 2nd part of your comment The cynical amongst us in the trade say - 'YES'. I've been in the sparks business for many years and consumer fires were never really a big issue if fitted correctly and maintained (as in the eicr periodically as we as landlords are finally being forced into).

These smart meter fitters etc in my experience want to be in and out as soon as they can, 'rag around' the consumer unit tails without care causing them to come loose into their connection in the board (bear in mind your looking at a 7mm length of 25mm (cross sectional area) round copper in a square containment- thats never been a great set up but thats what we have.

This will loosen the connections (loose wires cause fires- cliche but true). Loose connections= high resistance = overheating and potential fires- yourcprotective devices inside any board are plastic (whether a metal board or a pladtic one). The chances of shorting etc arent likely but loose connections are.

The meter fitters are not permitted to go into the consumer unit even if they wanted. Its where the boundary lines are drawn between them and us.

That said metal boards are obviously still a massive safety improvement. Plus you would normally have a 'gland' that secures the meter tails on entry so there is no chance of the tails being loosened inside the board regardless of agressive treatment of the tails from outside. So its a double whammy win.

That said even though on my report I am the voice of BS7671 and say recommended improvement- i cant say anything else- I always verbally tell my customers (and id deny it if asked) that I wouldn't recommend it.

Plastic boards are not a problem if the installation is properly maintained. We have 100s of 1000s of them fitted throughout the country and were fitting them since the 80s with bo big issue until the constant mucking about of meters that we have now (oh and the diy installers of consimer units too of course). But hey 'electrics is easy int it Put a wire here and there and it works '. Big difference between working and safe tho that is a fact!... Read More

paul landlord

11:58 AM, 8th February 2020
About 2 weeks ago

Combustible Electrical consumer unit

Reply to the comment left by Porky at 07/02/2020 - 10:23
Although your intentions are good and the majority of your information is correct which I give you full credit for, I respectfully submit you have also given some incorrect advice that will have some readers running scared.

Just to be picky it was BS7671 2015 amm3 that brought in metal consumer units recommended from jan2015 but not enforceable till jan 16. Nothing to do with the 18th edition that came enforceable 2019.

More importantly this plastic consumer units unders stairs business etc is TOTALLY wrong so fellow landlords dont panic.

There is nothing in the regs about this at all, although in this instance a board change may be advisable depending on how you personally view risk- no obligation for changing or 'deflection plates'.

Personally in such a circumstance an extra smoke detector there (hard wired, battery backed up and interlinked with your other detectors) is my choice. If you rely on battery stand alone smokes then this is redundant of course.

Hope this clarifies things for readers.

I am a registered sparks by the way charged with sifting through and keeping up with regs, their implications and retrospective (or not) effect.... Read More

paul landlord

11:42 AM, 8th February 2020
About 2 weeks ago

Combustible Electrical consumer unit

I'm a registered electrician as well as a landlord.

I regularly write EICRs for people with a string of C3s on the 'satisfactory' (or pass if you prefer) report.

C3s are often raised because of forever changing regulations and not because the installation is unsafe. It just means a situation is in place where you couldnt install something in that way today (current regs) but it was installed in accordance with the regs in place at the time.

We electricians were installing plastic consumer units in December 2015 in the full knowledge that under BS7671 2015 Ammendment 3 then from jan 16 these would pick up a C3 when the metal consumer unit reg became mandatory (6 months behind the other amm3 regs becoming mandatory as the new regs process is shambolic).

New regs are very rarely retrospective (if the installation was put in place to the regs of the day and it has not deteriorated or its integrity been compromised it is satisfactory and attracts a C3. There are still plenty of 1960s-80s rewireable fuseboards out there 'satisfactory' but with a C3. These have no RCD protection either but coding is a C3!!

If you want to change it then do- I wouldnt- but be prepared also to cost in a type2 spd (18th edition that came enforceable jan19). And also do it before 2022 when AFDDs are planned to become mandatory under Amm2 (amm1 came out 5 days ago now after the 18th edition only became mandatory a year ago!) else it will cost you a VERY hefty sum.

Hope this provides an insight into the ridiculous world of electrics as well as answering your question.... Read More