Another Open Letter to George Freeman MP – Conservative

Another Open Letter to George Freeman MP – Conservative

13:21 PM, 26th August 2015, About 6 years ago 25

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Having received a very bland response to the open letter I wrote to George Freeman MP on 13th July 2015, and various subsequent emails, I have eventually managed to arrange an appointment to meet him. Another Open Letter to George Freeman MP – Conservative

Inspired by a letter published by Property118 Member Jerry Jones to his MP I decided to send something very similar to my own MP prior to our meeting.

Thanks also to “Appalled Landlord” for his help checking my numbers and proof reading my letter before it was sent.

See below.

Dear Mr Freeman,

I have made an appointment to meet you at your clinic in Attleborough Town Hall at 11:30am on 2nd October 2015.

I reject the idea that landlords have an unfair advantage over either companies or homeowners and offer the following analogy for you to reconsider.

In my last email to you I promised to produce an analogy based on your own expenses, as I think this may add clarity to my perspective by making comparisons of my predicament to your expenses claims.

Just suppose the tax relief on part of your expenses was restricted to 20% as it is for landlords. Given that mortgage finance is usually the major expense in property, let us treat your staffing costs in the same way for the purposes of this example.

Please consider that MP’s expenses are no more of a sacred cow to the Great British Public than landlords’ interest, so the parallel is rather appropriate – nobody is likely to be rushing to the barricades to defend either of us.

In broad terms, your current income is composed of £74,000 salary as of May this year, plus expenses. Based on the complete year of 2013-14’s figures, your expenses amounted to just over £171,000, of which £129,000 related to staffing costs. In this respect you are in quite a similar position to many landlords as regards their income. In your case the total is £245,000, of which part is taxable and part is an expense and thus deductible. On that basis, in very broad terms, you are liable for tax of around £19,000, leaving you a post-tax income of £55,000.

If the similar restrictions were applied to your staffing expenses in 2020/21, your taxable income would be deemed to be £203,000, comprising your salary and that part of your expenses that you use to pay staffing costs. The tax liability on that income would be £77,450.

“But wait”, I hear you cry, “what about the 20% tax relief due on my staffing cost?”

Quite right, 20% of £129,000 is £25,800 so we can deduct that in order to reduce your tax liability to just £51,650. You must pay that tax out of your £74,000 salary, leaving you a net income of £22,350. Your tax bill would be increased by 175% and your net pay would be down 59.5%.

Would you be able to run homes in Norfolk and London on that income?

If we use the same logic applied by The Treasury to your staffing costs as they are applying to landlords finance costs this is only fair of course. Reducing your tax relief would “level the playing field” between MPs and ordinary citizens who don’t get tax relief for employing nannies, cleaners, gardeners and the other staff they need to support their households.

The figures are actually far worse than that for many landlords, who will be expected to pay substantial tax out of a negative cashflow.

Do you now understand the reason for my concerns?

Companies that own rental properties will still be able to deduct all their finance costs from income before paying tax on their resulting profits at the rate deemed appropriate, as will sole traders in every other form of business. Money necessarily paid out to someone else should NOT be regarded as part of taxable income of any enterprise, whatever its structure.

As to whether private homeowners are taxed less favourably than landlords, consider the impact of two homeowners swapping properties and renting to each other for identical rent amounts. By renting these same properties they are subjecting themselves both to capital gains tax if they sell, and income tax on rental income less costs. If their costs (e.g. repairs, mortgage interest) exceed their rental income, this will leave them in an inferior tax position as such tax losses cannot be offset against other (non-property) income, and they still face a potential capital gains tax liability.

I look forward to meeting you

Yours sincerely,


Mark Alexander

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by David Price

17:45 PM, 27th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Jerry Jones" at "27/08/2015 - 17:33":

Careful Malta may sink under the weight of all the British ex pats.

by Mark Alexander

18:07 PM, 27th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "David Price" at "27/08/2015 - 17:45":

There's also a risk of meeting me whilst I'm out partying with my clients over there who are timeshare salesmen LOL

by Michael Casa

21:34 PM, 27th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "David Price" at "27/08/2015 - 14:28":

I feel another petition coming on - 'Limit MP's Expenses To The Basic Rate Of Tax'

by Dr Rosalind Beck

21:53 PM, 27th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Michael " at "27/08/2015 - 21:34":

Many a clever thing was said in jest. They couldn't say it was a joke - as it's just what they're trying to do to us. Of course it will then alienate the exact group we are trying to win around (slight drawback). It's one of those ones that would be best done as revenge - by which point, it would do us no good at all... Maybe it could be: 'if landlords are no longer to offset their finance costs, MPs should no longer be allowed to offset whatever is their largest expense...' or something like that - link their fate to ours....

by Michael Casa

9:21 AM, 28th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Reply to the comment left by "Ros ." at "27/08/2015 - 21:53":

I agree Ros, maybe one to keep up our sleeves for now.

by Mark Alexander

10:22 AM, 29th August 2015, About 6 years ago

I have just sent a third open letter to my MP regarding the need for homeowners and landlords to play on a level playing field, please see the link below

by Nitzan Marinov

16:42 PM, 29th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Hi Mark,

Great letter!

It would be a good idea if we could all send it to our own MPs. For that we'de need to adapt the letter to include our MPs own figures.

I tried doing that:
1. I found the figures for my own MP:
2. I tried to work out how you calculated the different values for your own MP. I got stuck here:
"Quite right, 20% of £129,000 is £25,800 so we can deduct that in order to reduce your tax liability to just £51,650. You must pay that tax out of your £74,000 salary, leaving you a net income of £22,350. Your tax bill would be increased by 175% and your net pay would be down 59.5%."

Would it be possible for us to have a copy of the calculation you used (spreadsheet?) to come to your conclusions?
We could then use it to apply to our own MPs.

Also, would it have any impact if we also wrote to the MPs in the constituencies we have our properties?


by Dr Rosalind Beck

17:34 PM, 29th August 2015, About 6 years ago

I sent the email to the Express and also adapted it and sent it to the Mail. I provided various links including one to this page.

by Mark Shine

19:12 PM, 29th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Sorry, I posted the below on the wrong thread earlier. I meant to post it here:

‘I did raise the point about applying the same ‘relief’ measure to staffing costs when met my MP last week. He fobbed it off and said nothing to do with them as staffing costs are now paid via IPSA. I responded with something like – that may be so, but staffing costs are still the largest expense that an MP requires regardless of how payments are technically made (direct or indirect).

Another point he raised was this reduction in tax relief will affect many MPs who are landlords. I responded saying yes, but this was not their primary function etc…

I very much felt that he was seeing me with his treasury hat on (and toeing the party line) rather than as my local MP, listening to one of his constituents concerns and facts.

We’ll see..’

by Dr Rosalind Beck

19:54 PM, 29th August 2015, About 6 years ago

Can someone check that 20% will be allowed to be claimed after 2021? I think I've read a few places now that it will go down to zero....

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